mccNov 23, 2024

I like having Bluesky because it is a non-Twitter, non-Facebook space where I can hear from all my friends who are unable or unwilling to use Mastodon (a site with real barriers to entry). I haven't talked to a lot of those folks much since 2022 and I missed them.

I have intricate arguments why Bluesky is the wrong technical model for a distributed social network. But if a person has already decided *for nontechnical reasons* that they aren't using Mastodon, those arguments mean nothing to them

Show threadmccNov 23, 2024

There is a lot of Bluesky negativity on Mastodon and like, I am actually pretty negative on Bluesky?, but sometimes the negativity expands into attacking *Bluesky users* for making a Bad and Wrong decision, and not only is this mean¹, I feel like almost all of *those* critiques are deeply failing at empathetic imagination. You have to consider the Bluesky user's choice from *their perspective*.

¹ Sometimes being mean to a person is an ineffective way of convincing them to change their mind.

Show threadPaul Bernhardt (moved to [email protected])
@mcc I am mostly just grumpy Mastodon isn't better. Little Twitter fiefdoms with federated posts is the wrong abstraction, it should have been about federated identity and data ownership.
Nov 23, 2024 at 1:56amWeb
Show threadmccNov 23, 2024

@PBernhardt Meanwhile bluesky is 100% about federated identity and data ownership… … … without actually achieving any of the other user freedom/corporate independence goals that Mastodon ddi achieve.

We have like!! 60% of a good model and 40% of a good model! and I don't know how to merge them into 100% of a good model without spending four person-years of intensive development time on prototypes and then winning three difficult arguments with Eugen Rochko

Show threadPaul Bernhardt (moved to [email protected])Nov 23, 2024
@mcc I've wondered how far you could get with client abstraction. Like if you had a fancy client logged into X different accounts, and each post went out to a subset of them you picked based on audience, plus your own private instance for record keeping. And other people follow the accounts they like and their fancy client merges the posts if you post from more than one. Then also your client only shows you messages from people on servers you have accounts on, or follow, maybe follower's follows
Show threadmccNov 23, 2024
@PBernhardt for a very brief time in 2017 the android client "Twidere" worked like this
Show threadvriska, thief of light Nov 24, 2024
@mcc @PBernhardt i mean bluesky imo does achieve their goal wrt decentralization, it's just much weaker than activitypub. the goal is that if bluesky pbc disappears (or becomes malicious) then an independent party could replace them