Might we drop the dogma from politics? https://youtu.be/37mg70-2mms?si=lkyxQFVr30mXRcw9 I am bored by politicians who pretend that they are from the left and right, and who either worship markets or pretend that the state can do nothing of value. The reality is that we live in a mixed economy where both the state and private sectors are essential. Why is it so hard to admit that fact?
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@RichardJMurphy neither the state nor the private sector are essential, and #Anarchism makes a strong argument that we'd be better off without either.

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I'm with Richard on this. One inescapable lesson of my lifetime's work in social enterprise - especially designing organisational structures - is that no single form of organisation is good for all purposes, all people, so a 'mixed economy' is precisely what we need to aim for.

Moreover, it's a relatively short step to a healthy mix. All existing economies are, as far as I know, already mixed - all have publicly-owned, privately-owned, co-operative, voluntary, etc, elements. In my country, France, over half the economy is in the public sector, and more than a further 10% in other forms of common ownership (co-ops, etc) - and much of the remaining less-than-a third in the private sector is small business that is not, in the main, capitalist (see https://climatejustice.social/@GeofCox/113400545321265812). Some other countries, eg. Norway, have even more public and common-ownership elements. Building on these very big anti-capitalist social structures, and especially on the real organisational management skills the people in them have developed, is the sensible way forward - and should be relatively easy.

The barrier is big business, it's inherent profit-extraction and growth-orientation (because it is 'investor-led'), and the political power its wealth accumulation allows. Pointing this out, and at the same time pointing to the advantages of a better-mixed economy, I think represents the best strategy for the left.

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@[email protected] You might be interested in my post from a few days ago, arguing that most small businesses are not, in fact 'capitalist': Small business existed before capitalism - family farms, artisans, musicians, traders - and still exists in pretty much the same forms. Most own their own 'means of production' - some tools, etc - but they mostly don't employ wage labourers (in the UK, about 75% of all businesses have no employees). Those that do are often employing assistants they are training up - again just like pre-capitalist businesses. What they do in the main is provide useful products and services, embedded in local or online communities that value them. I worked in business development for many years - a world in which practitioners distinguish between 'growth' and 'lifestyle' businesses - the latter regarded as a waste of time among consultants whose targets are around growth, job creation, etc - but here's the thing: 'growth businesses' are very hard to find. They're rare. The vast majority of small business people just want to make a living doing something they love and are (hopefully) good at. They have zero interest in growing, accumulating capital, supervising a lot of staff, etc...

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