🤷 The Mastodon vs. Bluesky discussions give me VI/Vim vs. Emacs vibes, and I haven't given a crap about that either over the last three decades.

**All four suck in their own special ways.**

Unlike Vim or Emacs, I have to use both Mastodon and Bluesky, and I suspect more of us will have those feelings, too.

I go to where my friends and the community are, which means I spend too much time on Discord, too.

Sadly, social media is life.

**UPDATE:** Thank *!@# for an edit button.

> I go to where my friends and the community are

The latter part is the part I struggle with. There's a large segment of python and django devs on X. I feel like as that platform is abandoned, we're creating a disconnect / making the divide bigger.

With Djangonaut Space, I've noticed that applicants are way more likely to have X or LinkedIn accounts than others. If we're looking to make our contributor pool more diverse, what responsibility do existing contributors have to engage with prospective contributors where they are rather than expecting them to come to us?
This has been on my mind for a while. These questions aren't meant for you to answer. Just finally making them public.

@CodenameTim > I feel like as that platform is abandoned, we're creating a disconnect / making the divide bigger.

I believe Twitter was bought in order to disrupt many online communities. It worked; so many groups I was part of have splintered because that's where a group of people with diverse strengths and interests intersected.

We need to figure out how to move forward in a way that reconnects. But I think it's important to recognize this is more than just a failing on our part.

@CodenameTim I feel that.

I keep an X account and it's less of a struggle for me when I look at who is there.

I don't like it, but the bulk of non-white people are still there and there is a mix of everyday people are there. News happens there.

So while I hate, hate, hate the owner, I extract more value and keep up with these communities there until they migrate away.

We don't get to migrate when or where communities go, and I'd rather keep up than snub my nose at it.

@CodenameTim Because those communities are there still, I think it's important for foundations and conferences to still have a presence there. Even if that is a write-only context.

@webology @CodenameTim I understand the reasoning. So please see this question without judgement of any past or future decision, but I’m curious:

At which point - if at all - should the call be made that the platforms values ate not compatible with the communities value and a strong signal in form of community veterans and leaders leaving needs to be set?

If the majority of the old guard would vocally migrate to a different platform the community *might* follow is the thesis I guess.

@fallenhitokiri @webology I don't think there should be a decision like that. There'd be greater benefit by nudging people to where core conversations are happening. As Jeff said, conferences and foundations should exist in write-only in these other areas. Those messages could be "There's a super interesting discussion on Topic XYZ over on Platform A, here's the <link>"
@fallenhitokiri @webology That way we're exposing people elsewhere to what they may be missing and avoid the possibility of implying, you're bad because you're using a bad tool that doesn't meet our community standards.

@CodenameTim @webology „you are bad because you’re using a bad tool“ is a problem. And most of the time arguments sound like moral blackmail. :/

The PSF account on mastodon feels like write only. At least all my messages were ignored. No presence would have felt better tbh.

I just have a hard time seeing a good balance between being available for the community and with this activity increasing relevance of a platform that goes against core aspects what the community stands for.

@webology I really do not want to sign up for another social network, but the BS debate has taken over my timeline in the last few days, and I'm not sure what to do about it.

It feels like Masto is more technical, and more inclusive in terms of accessibility, and BS is more protective towards non-white folks. At least, that's what the debate suggests.

But I don't know nor care enough about it.

I just want to stay in contact with tech people and some friends.

@mahryekuh I have a very exhaustive list of filters to label or remove this from my timeline, and it's so good. Yes, it's a very privileged feature to use and suggest.

With BS (never writing it any other way now), I just label it, and I occasionally check in to see what's new so it doesn't get the full-on remove treatment.

I am surprised that I am surprised about how all-or-nothing people are about one platform or the other when they both kind of suck. 🤷

@webology @phildini Here in Australia it’s all giving me strong Sydney OR Melbourne 90s vibes.