ZeroCool"Democrats better get their shit together before the 2028 election," says adorable friend who thinks there's going to be a 2028 election
NougatHell, there's not going to be a 2026 election.
AllNewTypeFaceThere will be, in the same way that they have elections in Russia and Turkey.
This has “Obama is going to send all conservatives to FEMA camps” vibes. Like you guys are just as crazy as the QNuts at this point.
And since I have to say this, yes I voted for Harris.
I get why you are saying this, and it is definitely possible that all will be fine. However, what distinguishes the all will be fine crowd from the alarmists, is that the alarmists take what Trump said in his rallies literally, whereas the calmer crowd doesn’t. That’s COMPLETELY different from QAnon, which has never relied on direct quotes from elected Democratic to make their point.
CryptagionismisogynistYes I want to emphasize the rights concerns we’re based on vibes with no evidence. Our concerns are based on literal evidence that happened in the past.
I’m sure members of the Weimar Republic thought this too.
When a fascist tells you something, BELIEVE THEM.
Did Obama stand in front of supporters and TV cameras and say all the conservatives will end up in camps?
Because I’ve definitely seen Trump stand in front of supporters and TV cameras and say this is the last time we’ll need to vote.
He’s put a fucking fox news anchor as defense secretary i think it’s safe to say we are not in sane and reasonable land.
There will be. A Turkey style election. Or maybe russia style depending on if democratic-led states find the spine to stand against a tyrannical federal government. We’re about to see if this “federalism” really mean anything.
In 2028, the Democrats won’t even be on the ticket, and most of America still won’t vote third party.
ZorsithI’d like to see Bernie try to spin up a third party; not for himself to run for office, but just to divorce from the DNC and give leftist politicians a fighting chance using his name/approval.
UltraGiGaGiganticState level electoral reform first?
I was watching a video the other day of Rachel Maddow talking about how now that Trump is elected, we will never have a vote again. We will be a Russian puppet state and that all immigrants regardless of status will be deported. I was thinking that’s a possibility and a scary potential future. Then I realized the video was from 2016… and Trump went on to be so ineffective that more immigrants came in than Obama. The only lasting legacy he will have is the Supreme Court, which sucks, but he is too ineffective to do anything other than rant on truth social. He is good at saying things, not doing things.
In his first term, he had a center-right Court that was willing to rule against him. Congress was also not solely controlled by Republicans, and there was a notable never-Trump coalition within their ranks.
Now, the Court is balanced more heavily to the right, and they’ve already been willing to accept ridiculous proposals that help Trump. And he’ll be going into this next term with a Republican-controlled Senate and House. And most of the never-Trumpers have either left or been voted out.
So I do understand that it’s possible that our fears are overblown, but there are good reasons to believe that he’ll do more lasting damage in his second term.
[deleted] in lemmyTo be clear, the Republicans being organized means the Republicans will be able to do more lasting damage. Trump is just the face, and while he is a terrible person who causes damage through chaos, the malicious Republicans as a whole are responsible for whatever damage happens during his turn.
That is important to keep in mind, because even if they cart him off to jail on day 2 of his term they will continue to do all the damage they can.
It’s also worth remembering the republicans having a different face next time doesn’t mean they’ll be different next time.
People act like things are only bad because of Trump and that if it was someone else it would be less bad. There’s no actual reason to assume that.
And you think you’re the only one so wise as to have noticed all that? Trump’s people have been working their ass off for this day. They’ve seen the weaknesses in Trump and the system and they’re already deploying their plans. If you think this administration will be Trump 2.0, you got another thing coming.
I imagine Germans were laughing at Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch.
They weren’t laughing, they were naively relieved and thought they dodged a bullet and threw him in jail.
Things are very different this time around. They have a lot more power and are a lot more prepared. Trump isn’t capable, the gang around him definitely is.
The first time he was trying, poorly, to have talking points.
This time he would just straight up stand there and sway for 30 minutes and say the most stupid shit he could think of and still got elected.
The more Ive thought about it, it was just warming the liberals up to accepting that it’s over.
So now the next steps are to consolidate power, declare himself president for life, and then invade Mexico or some shit.
Are you familiar with project 2025?
The world was caught by surprise in 2016. A lot of evildoers didn’t even realize what was possible.
They have since realized, planned, and prepared.
Act as if we will. No seriously like half of politics is the manifest will of the people. If you decide right now that Trump isn’t going to do it then it’s going to be normalized by 2026 and outrage will not occur. You need to expect it with all the force of reality you can muster.
I say we start a revolution. We get a bunch of pie crusts. And fill them with whipped cream. And then we collectively go around the country just pieing people in the face, and sticking a clown nose on them. Then we lift them above our heads, and run away.
Their whole culture is based on fear, and conformity. You do the normal thing. People who don’t do the normal thing aren’t with them.
Now imagine walking along the street wearing your trump hat, thinking you’re all cool. Suddenly, BAM!!! PIE!!! CLOWN NOSE!!! And now you’re 8 feet in the air after having taken a surprise cream pie.
It would go against everything that makes their culture what it is.
OHHH!!! OHHH!!! SOMEBODY CREAM PIE TRUMP!!! You KNOW you want to see trump rubbing out a cream pie from his eye.
Oh my God that would be awesome
Only Putin is allowed to cream pie him
I’m in. My recipe for pie crusts and whipped cream calls for a lot of cheap liquor and something called “flammable rags”? It’s an odd recipe but comes highly rated.
Flammable rags…hmmmm, is that an Albany expression? Sort of like Steamed Hams?
Oh, not Albany, no. It’s a Utica expression.
Swedneckthis pie crust is oddly hard and crystalline, weird tall shape too
You’re gonna end up shot before the term is supposed to be over, aren’t you?
haha, We all are, hahaha.
surprise cream pie.
I’ve seen this website…
SLVRDRGNIn a witness statement read out to the court on his behalf, Mr Farage said: “The cup hit me directly in my face … liquid went all over me.”
Giving details from her police interview, prosecutor Nishma Shah told the court: “She acknowledges that this was an assault and that the liquid would have gone over the jackets of him and others and caused them to get cleaning, but she states that Nigel would be able to afford this.
Previously, during a campaign walkabout in Newcastle in 2019, Mr Farage had a banana and salted caramel milkshake thrown at him.
“Milkshaking” – the act of dousing public figures in a milkshake – was officially recognised by Collins Dictionary the same year.
Wow he’s caused a trend.
Dismissive of Kyle Rittenhouse taking his firearm across borders to go and murder someone for their skin colour, but splash him with a bit of milkshake and suddenly he’s super serious and it’s not funny and it’s assault and the full force of the law must be applied and politicians shouldn’t be subjected to violence etc etc. But violence in the street against immigrants because some right wing nutjob pretended that literally one criminal was an immigrant? No, that’s all fine and very understandable and people are just concerned. Jo Cox MP murdered for saying wouldn’t it be good to be nice to people for a change? “Regrettable.” Uber rich Nigel “fake man of the people” Farage with milkshake thrown at him? “OutRAGEous!”
All completely according to plan for big whipped cream, big pie crust and big pie tin. In the end we’re just pawns in their little game
There will certainly be an election. Potentially, the main opposition candidates will be in jail (or in a deportation camp in Alaska), but an election will happen.
A few years ago, Elizabeth Warren’s claim to indigenous-American heritage was the butt of many, many jokes by the right.
Wouldn’t it be funny if she’s declared an illegal immigrant?
Have you seen Boiler Room?
I have actually.
Act as if. I still teach this to sales proteges.
Obviously they’ll run the election Russian-style, as Americans still like to think of themselves as free.
What’s wrong with a one party system? It’s only one less then two! You wouldn’t want to confuse the voters would you? /$
literally yes. I dont see how having two similar party is different from only having one. Controlled opposition
That’s our secret, Cap… they’re always confused.
So like in 2000? lmao
It already was before then. But before the only definite winner was Israel since both parties seem to prioritize it over anything else.
You cant even talk about this stuff on a lemmy forum anymore without being habara-ed.
A key part of getting democracy back on track needs to be around eliminating corrupting bribes by lobbying groups like AIPAC. until we do that, we wont end up with any sort of democracy.
Wild that anyone would disagree with eliminating lobbyists but there it is.
Its probably bots that downvote any post with the strings ‘hasbara’ or ‘AIPAC’ in it. Forbidden topics.
UnderpantsWeevilthey’ll run the election Russian-style
Why didn’t they just do this in 2018?
Do you think the GOP - and trump’s camp specifically - have gotten more or less extreme/vengeful in the last four years? After the 2020 loss, have they gotten more or less friendly toward the norms of a democratic system of government?
Do you think the GOP - and trump’s camp specifically - have gotten more or less extreme/vengeful in the last four years?
I think I heard this line back in 2004 when Bush beat Kerry. Today is always The Worst and history is always not so bad in hindsight really. But so much of the modern shit show can be traced back to the right-wing gerrymanders from 2005, pushed through under DeLay’s “Permanent Republican Majority” plan alongside his K-Street project.
After the 2020 loss, have they gotten more or less friendly toward the norms of a democratic system of government?
Given how brutally they bludgeoned the Dems this year, I’d say they’ve gotten significantly better at winning democratic competitions. I don’t think they’re going to be shy about running the exact same Musk-powered scheme in 2026, fully convinced they have the numbers to win the old fashioned way.
Thank you for the reply: because we can go back even further to Hunter S Thompson with Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail 72, where he makes the same observation about every election cycle being “the big one”.
It’s just that I do think the GOP has gotten more extreme in many ways, and the right wing media sphere is a major part of that. At least in my experience over the last few decades. Looking back at what the John Birch folks said back then, it’s a lot more mainstream. Just some of the demographic groups targeted are different
As for the elections: it’s going to be interesting, since you’re absolutely correct…the right showed up to vote, and enough of the Democrats stayed at home that the GOP might take that as a sign they don’t need to ratfuck so much. I’m just not as confident that the anti democratic sentiment isn’t just rhetoric meant for political theatre. Hopefully I’m wrong, but the mainstream right seems to be trending toward authoritarian more than libertarian these days.
the GOP has gotten more extreme in many ways
They ate the Dixiecrats, who were already openly white nationalist. But it’s the same extremism, just migrated from one party to the other by way of the oil and automotive industry barons.
Looking back at what the John Birch folks said back then, it’s a lot more mainstream.
The Birchers were mainstream. They got Goldwater in '68 and Reagan in '80. The Tea Party and the MAGA movement can trace straight lines back to Bircher organizers and funders.
I’m just not as confident that the anti democratic sentiment isn’t just rhetoric meant for political theatre.
The problem is that most of the damage is already done. The VRA has been shredded. House seats are heavily gerrymandered. Systematic disenfranchisement is institutionalized. Media is captured by corporate interests loyal (or at least amenable) to the party. There’s not a whole lot left to dismantle. Republicans have heavily entrenched, functionally unassailable state level majorities across the country.
The real threats the GOP face are from within - business and paleocon wings feuding over orthodoxy like 12th century Popes.
And democracy at least keeps this kind of fighting civil. Which is its purpose. Give people a non-violent outlet for civic participation, but limit the terms of debate to what the elites desire.
Nobody currently winning wants that system to change.
Not even onion anymore…
Well, no, it’s the Beaverton.
I think this should be a good way to win back money from failed Harris bets. I’d dare to put some money on a bet that there is going to be elections in 2028 and Trump is not going to be a candidate.
Well. He’s super old and eats like shit. There is a good chance he won’t be the nominee because he dies in office.
Don’t bet JD Vance won’r be on the ticket though