Retro peeps: Anyone have any tips for getting a SyQuest 88 MB drive to work? All cartridges spin up but it seems to fail the disc init check and just blinks green LED slowly (no red LED). Adrian’s Digital Basement trick of SilverLining’s “short test” didn’t work.

Apps that claim to read and seek don’t move the head. Self tests (with a jumper) do seek/move head properly.

BlueSCSI initiator doesn’t start.

Heads look clean/level/in tact.

Edit: Solved! See replies 😎

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@paulrickards As I recall, it should eventually settle to a state where you have a solid green light. Until that startup test passes, you indeed will not be able to read or seek, the interface should just return a not ready state.

These drives may be subject to shorted capacitor drama on the logic board. Start with a visual inspection.

Agree with @vxo — I think I have a spare 88meg drive that I can loan you (if it’s working!) @paulrickards
@pleonard @paulrickards Good luck! Anything on this format is very at risk media due to the dwindling supply of working drives.
@vxo @pleonard Thanks! Agree with the need for a successful startup/solid green LED. I did examine the board which does have a few electrolytics. Didn't look leaky but it's hard to tell. That's likely a good starting point (the vintage matches Macs that suffer the same problem).
@paulrickards @pleonard I recall the startup sequence on these drives being really goofy. It'd spin up, *overspeed* a moment, then go into servo lock, release the head locking solenoid with a loud click, then deploy the heads, read *something* off the disk, and do a quick seek test before declaring itself ready for business with a solid green light
@vxo @paulrickards yes and all accompanied by very distinctive sounds! You could even sense that something was off with a cart, purely sonically.
@pleonard @paulrickards the sound one makes when it clamps out of balance is spectacular and terrifying
@vxo @paulrickards I shall sing you the song of my people
@pleonard @vxo Nice! Glad to see yours is working. The sound is unforgettable.
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Retro peeps: Anyone have any tips for getting a SyQuest 88 MB drive to work? All cartridges spin up but it seems to fail the disc init check and just blinks green LED slowly (no red LED). Adrian’s Digital Basement trick of SilverLining’s “short test” didn’t work.

Apps that claim to read and seek don’t move the head. Self tests (with a jumper) do seek/move head properly.

BlueSCSI initiator doesn’t start.

Heads look clean/level/in tact.

Edit: Solved! See replies 😎

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Here’s the motherboard from the Syquest 88MB drive. 7 electrolytics with three being suspiciously close to where the heads plug in. Wonder if it’s a signal/amplification problem caused by bad caps.

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I started by replacing the two 10uF 16V caps (C7 and C25) with tantalums. I tried it again and the symptoms were the same.

Next, I replaced two 2.2uF 50V caps (C63 and C??). Here I only had through hole electrolytics so I had to get creative to keep their height down.

There’s three other 2.2uF 50V caps but they don’t have polarity markings. I decided to leave those as-is for the moment.

Let’s fire it up! 🤞

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OMG it worked! 😎 The SyQuest 88MB has a steady green LED now after inserting a cartridge! After a bit of fiddling with the SyQuest Utilities app, I got it to mount!

Copying files from it is working, although a few files report a disk error. I’ll keep going and see how far it gets.

It’s always caps.

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I leave you with some SyQuest ASMR sounds.

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TIL that syquest.com is still functional! Not much there, former shell of itself after bankruptcy but still it lives. Last updated 2003 💀

https://www.syquest.com

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SyQuest Technology

@paulrickards I actually have a broken drive and some old cartridges I'd like to get the data off of so I'm emailing that yahoo address. I wonder if anything will come of it!
@paulrickards Ah dang... address doesn't exist anymore.
@90sScriptKiddiw Haha yeah I bet they closed up shop ages ago.
@paulrickards
Casino Hawks are the most polite and modest website hijackers I've ever seen!
I think I'll give them so traffic.
@goerp That's funny, I completely didn't connect that might be a defacing 🙃
@paulrickards very relaxing — sometimes I wish modern computers still did that!
@paulrickards OMG yes! It's been nearly three decades, but how could I forget. 😅
@paulrickards when it ejects, does it launch across the desk? my 40MB sure did.
@paulrickards throwback tuesday. I used to use one like these with my Performa 5200 CD, iirc.
@paulrickards I really like the sound makes. It’s like an old trusty power tool.
@Random_Seed Yeah the sound takes me back for sure. Very much sounds like a power tool!
@paulrickards I’m pretty HDT can mount these. If not Silverlining. Perhaps the disk driver was old’ish.
@paulrickards I too can hear this image. Such a satisfying lock and spin up.
@paulrickards get a zt-md1 (or similar, if you don't have one already) and start probing capacitors!
@adorfer Interesting! I have a cheap LCR meter for testing out of circuit. Do these tweezers work for things in circuit? I didn’t think that was possible/accurate?
@paulrickards not accurate, and only 80percent of the time. But at least it's only false positives "in circuit".
in other words: if a capacitor reads fine/similar in at least 2 test-frequencies, one shot less for the parts cannon.
@paulrickards i'm sure you recognize that style of electrolytic from the Mac Classics. it's unbelievably prone to leaking directly underneath the cap without spreading past the edges, so you can never see the leak until the cap has been removed.
@paulrickards Sorry, it's been too many years since I touched one, no insights, sorry.

@paulrickards As I recall, it should eventually settle to a state where you have a solid green light. Until that startup test passes, you indeed will not be able to read or seek, the interface should just return a not ready state.

These drives may be subject to shorted capacitor drama on the logic board. Start with a visual inspection.

Agree with @vxo — I think I have a spare 88meg drive that I can loan you (if it’s working!) @paulrickards
@pleonard @paulrickards Good luck! Anything on this format is very at risk media due to the dwindling supply of working drives.
@vxo @pleonard Thanks! Agree with the need for a successful startup/solid green LED. I did examine the board which does have a few electrolytics. Didn't look leaky but it's hard to tell. That's likely a good starting point (the vintage matches Macs that suffer the same problem).
@paulrickards @pleonard I recall the startup sequence on these drives being really goofy. It'd spin up, *overspeed* a moment, then go into servo lock, release the head locking solenoid with a loud click, then deploy the heads, read *something* off the disk, and do a quick seek test before declaring itself ready for business with a solid green light
@vxo @paulrickards yes and all accompanied by very distinctive sounds! You could even sense that something was off with a cart, purely sonically.
@pleonard @paulrickards the sound one makes when it clamps out of balance is spectacular and terrifying
@vxo @paulrickards I shall sing you the song of my people
@pleonard @vxo Nice! Glad to see yours is working. The sound is unforgettable.
@pleonard If you're able to confirm your drive is working, that may be a good alternative. Ideally I'd love to get mine working (or find another working one).
@paulrickards Boosted, this reminds me of how these wretched things were when they were relatively new. I had a couple of drives and they were so inconsistent, occasionally just refusing to do anything useful for no obvious reason. I think we blamed the humidity at the time.
@synx508 Hey thanks for the boost! Yeah, they're usually bundled with lots of (bad) emotion from the past!