return2ozmaNo more concessions to liberalism
InverseParallaxYeah seriously, if there’s a single thing we’ve learned from this whole election, is that the best thing for the left is to enforce absolute ideological purity!
We must not tolerate any unorthodoxy! Better to abstain than anything!
It’s like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent…
IrremarkableYou say that as if the DNCs campaign strategy wasn't to absolutely abandon the left and try to court "moderate republicans", which we very obviously just learned don't actually exist.
Apparently it wasn’t so much that they don’t exist, but that people are generally stupid and if inflation spikes during your term you’re going to get the blame for it - even if your actions significantly limit inflation compared to the rest of the world.
Every government that was in power during the inflation rise and had an election this year lost voter share.
Enough. America is full of idiocy. Everywhere. This isn’t a campaign issue it’s an ignorance and bigotry issue.
try to court “moderate republicans”, which we very obviously just learned don’t actually exist.
Exactly. For all their effort, all the campaigning with Liz Cheney, all the promises of Republicans in the cabinet, and all the war hawk endorsements, Harris lost votes with Republicans compared to Biden.
Republicans don’t vote Democrat, stop running to the right to appease them.
…because taxing the rich, adding affordable daycare/child tax credits, a propose ban on price gouging, and other middle class incentives were abandoning the left…totes. The narrative that’s being pushed here is pretty bullshit. Her platform was on point for the middle class and below.
Sure. She campaigned in battleground states, more than any where else…but that was strategic. And it makes sense at the time.
Everyone just keeps saying “she abandoned the left” without adding literally any examples of it.
The DNC fucked up by not holding primaries, but Harris ran a pretty damn good game.
I mean, the lessons are likely to be permanent, regardless. This might be the last few months of peace before the US turns into an authoritarian terror wasteland via project 2025. Hopefully it won’t, but all three branches of government have been compromised, which leaves little hope.
metaStaticy'all got any more of them checks and balances?
Checks and balances only work if the branches fundamentally care about their job and the country rather than their party. We just have a completely disfunctional parliamentary system where sometimes, just for funsies, the prime minister and cabinet are the minority party so nothing gets done. Oh and also we have a critical part of our legislature elected just from arbitrary lines.
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- Emo Philips
What axiom is the left ideology built on that allows it to be ideologically pure? For example, the right has property rights to build on, which itself is derived from the ownership of your own person. What fundamental truth does the left build their views on?
Life is suffering
Without a strong fundamental truth to base your beliefs on, how can the left ever expect to unify?
Was this meant to reply to my comment?
It’s like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent…
Yes. That’s the point. If they can’t have exactly what they want, then acceleration towards collapse is more desirable than comprise.
“I’m going to hurt you because they hurt me”
PugJesusIt’s like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent…
Yep. They don’t care what happens to workers or minorities. They just want to have someone to point their fingers at to blame for the world’s problems - and what better way to get that than handing over all power to literal fascists?
Seriously, it’s the emo version of politics, they get to sit at home and cry about how nobody gets them.
WrenOnly the rest of us have to suffer the consequences of their inaction right alongside their insufferably smug superiority complexes.
harkI love how anything outside of what the democratic party wants to do is labelled “ideological purity” even though democrats endlessly shriek at anyone who does not toe the democratic party line. Democrats had their way, again, and lost, again. How about we try something new instead of democrats constantly trying to appeal to fascists while pretending to be the only thing to stand against fascism?
WHeRe iS tHe leFt uNiTy
Buried with all of the socialists and unions liberals have betrayed.
Is that why you helped the fascist win? Cause that’s a better option?
Liberals love making assumptions, being idiots.
Who are you saying helped the fascists win? The democratic party courted war criminals like dick cheney, claimed that genocide must be carried out, and immediately insisted we run even further to the right after losing the election. Are these the ones you think are defending us from fascism? I suppose it’s the leftists’ fault for wanting to promote popular progressive policies instead of pretending everything is fine?
I would be interested in knowing which country you’re from since the neoliberal-fascism tag team seems to be running globally and I would be interested in knowing where this isn’t happening.
If you go further Left
Marxist-Leninists: “WhERe iS tHe leFt uNiTy?”
buried with all the Anarchists and Trotskyists killed by Lenin and Stalin.
“Further” left is demonstrably incorrect on account of all the genocide, union busting, and heirarchy enforcement they did, but otherwise yes, also true.
It’s good to see the old socialism vs liberalism appear again after the US-election. Cycles are a bit out of order lately.
But Class War [Illinois]Fixed that second panel because there isn’t even a pretense of respect
This is why you idiots lost. Nobody was leftists enough for anyone and everyone was the enemy. Allies on the same side, instead of standing against fascism started calling each other Nazis. I’ve never seen so much bigotry, intolerance and even racism out of the left like I saw this election. And against each other! All cause we don’t fully agree with each other.
Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at you. Congrats, the American left proves to be stupider than Maga. The right will continue to be unified as the left splinters into micro groups who hate each other.
I don’t even think you can call them leftists at this point. Being a leftist is fundamentally about worker solidarity. This is something else entirely. It’s a purity spiral death cult!
You’re only further proving my point
Well they were agreeing with you, so yeah, of course they were further proving your point.
Not that your point is actually right, but the fact that you can’t even tell agreement from opposition shows your level of understanding of the issues
The real idiots are the liberals, who knew they had to capitulate to the left to win and refused anyway.
That word means different things to everyone
knightly the SneptaurWhich one, “left”?
You’re not wrong but you also aren’t saying anything.
“Worker solidarity as long as the worker in question agrees with me about pretty much everything”
This is a weird meme. The Democrats actively tried to court suburban white voters and other traditionally right-Leaning demographics. They tried to peel Republicans off. The democrats never offered socialists a cup labeled “liberalism”, they offered “moderate republicans” a cup labeled “Border Control and Bush era political icons” and they said “Bro. I already told you I will only ever vote for Republicans”.
> Democrats: Run most leftist administration in the history of the country
> Democrats: Pass law after law and EO after EO that are a wishlist of progressive and leftist policies
> Democrats: Put officers from the most famous leftist movement in a century in high and visible positions of power in the government
> Leftists online: We never get anything by voting for Democrats they have betrayed us and move to the right constantly
TBH, it’s long past time for the Democratic Party to actually start ignoring the fringe left and work for the American people.
If that is really the path forward the y’all need to peel off almost a sixth of the Republican’s Presidential election year voting base while simultaneously not losing any additional support on the social democratic left wing of their own party. I’m not sure that’s realistic.
Lay of the mushrooms dude. Those are some serious hallucinations.
BigBenisDespite all the Biden administrations achievements, they still haven’t addressed what the left has been asking for over the last decade.
Stop supporting the war in Gaza? Nah.
Single-payer healthcare system? Nuh uh.
Housing crisis relief? If you’re good… maybe.
Courts and criminal justice reform? Lol.
Billionaire tax? Nope.
Increase minimum wage? Psh.
Legalize marijuana? Hah! No.
Man, it’s a good thing Trump is going to implement all of those things.
It shouldn’t be a surprise that the people who believe politics no longer serves them aren’t motivated to participate in the political system.
It is also shouldn’t be a surprise that political system not only doesn’t give a shit but also doesn’t have an idea about people who don’t participate in it. Almost by definition.
So who’s going to change? The disillusioned voters? Or the politicians running for office? Or are we just to keep yelling at people who aren’t listening?
Oh, politicians will do the changing all right. They identify the people who vote and will cater more to them, moving further right. Many of them don’t want that actually, but since getting votes is the only way to be elected, and left doesn’t vote, they just have to.
People though? I don’t know, right now I’m disappointed in all the America, so I don’t believe change is possible. I however will continue yelling at idiots who don’t want right wing politicians but don’t vote therefore don’t express their wants. I will also continue doing public communication, maybe less yelly though.
People though? I don’t know, right now I’m disappointed in all the America, so I don’t believe change is possible. I however will continue yelling at idiots who don’t want right wing politicians but don’t vote therefore don’t express their wants. I will also continue doing public communication, maybe less yelly though.
Can’t seem to get them from Democrats, either, so what’s your point?
The point is that if you have one party that won’t legalize weed and won’t criminalize abortion at the federal level, and you have another party that won’t legalize weed but will criminalize abortion at the federal level, the first party is better. Now apply this to other issues. Families will be forcibly separated when Trump begins his mass deportation, Bird Flu will be COVID 2.0 when RFK is in Trump’s cabinet, etc.
Everyone on .world and .ml is focused on what the Dems haven’t done or won’t do. Ok, put that aside for a second. Do you think that Trump is going to put into place any of the policies listed above? Do you think he will be a better president than Kamala Harris would have been?
If the answer to both questions is “no,” I truly don’t understand the logic in complaining about what Dems didn’t do in the last four years. Not voting for Harris because she wasn’t left enough is cutting off your nose to spite your own face. The country will be far worse under Trump.
If you answer “yes” to either, then we are too far apart to have any meaningful conversations.
Dude, the election is over. The only thing we can do moving forward is try to learn a lesson. Blaming other people isn’t a solution. We can only try to do better next time, which requires confronting what we could do better, not what others did wrong. We have no control over that.
If your only solution is that everything is other people’s fault, you’re not being constructive. You’re only angry and lashing out, which is understandable but keep that to places that’s wanted ideally. You’re pretty deep in a thread trying to solve problems, not just blame others.
Mate, if you think anything I’ve said is “angry and lashing out,” I don’t know what to tell you. I’m frustrated sure, but wasn’t the one who started to dole out blame. The original comment I responded to was blaming Dems lol.
Still interested in if you think the country will be better under Trump than under Harris.
The Democrats are the ones who we are supporting here. They can only do better through constructive criticism. They won’t do better by just blaming their failings on Trump supporters (or non-Harris supporters).
No one here is saying things will be better under Trump. They’re pointing out why the democratic message failed, so hopefully we can understand why it didn’t work and do better in 2/4 years.
Blaming other people doesn’t create actionable observations. It’s only a cop-out to not recognize your failings. Sure, it sucks, but it can’t be fixed. Giving people a reason to vote for Democrats can be fixed.
How many of those could be done with the amount of control the Dems have had in the past 8 years? They had full control of the government with the barest of majorities for 2 years with 2 senators that were basically liberal Republicans. You got Gaza, but besides that the rest require Congressional action. While in control they did get the biggest investment in green energy ever, they did get substantial increases for infrastructure (including public transport), and they substantially increased the amount of tech that will be made in the US.
Why didn’t you get those things done? Because you didn’t have the power to do it, just like Dems didn’t.
Marijuana probably could pass. They didn’t really try. It’s supported by most Republican voters. It’d be a death sentence for a lot of the Republicans to vote against it.
It helps maintain the status quo though, so they didn’t want it gone.
Again requires Congressional action and there have been multiple bills that have passed through a democratic controlled house or Senate but stalled in the other half of Congress because Republicans wouldn’t vote for it and there wasn’t a large enough majority of Dems to get it done. Go check out mpp.org for more info.
It doesn’t take but 10-15 minutes of looking up information to find out Dems attempted to get it done but once again Republican obstruction (like has been happening since 2008) prevented real reforms.
I’ve heard the argument from practicality for decades, but it just doesn’t pass the laugh test. When George Bush started the Iraq War, was that practical? No. When Donald Trump did everything Donald Trump does, was that practical? No. But they made big changes. Bad changes, but big changes.
So why is it that only the Republicans can make big changes? I think it’s because your position is the coward’s position. If you never try to make the country better in a major way, because you’re convinced it’s impossible, of course you’re always going to fail. And voters know this. We understand why people are afraid to take big steps, but we don’t respect it.
Few things here.
3.The Senate heavily favors Republicans because of the number of small states so it’s much easier for them to get 50+ members and the house mildly favors the Republicans because of gerrymandering.
This isn’t defeatist. It’s a realistic understanding of how the systems work. The fact that we got so many major things passed with such a tiny amount of control and in such a small amount of time is amazing.
Those likely wouldn’t have gotten through Congress but that’s a poor excuse to abandon the efforts entirely. Embrace those changes as part of the platform, fight for them, make the Republicans publicly oppose what the people want instead of taking the accountability for doing that yourself.
The Democrats’ insistence on working across the aisle with a coalition that has abandoned good-faith bipartisanship only cedes power to the Republicans.
Obama won in 2008 with a message of “yes we can” but since he left office the Democrats’ most consistent message to voters has been “no we can’t”.
Since when did Dems abandon those things? They have repeatedly had them in the platform or at least verbally supported them and have pushed bills in Congress to get them done. The complaint was that they weren’t done under Dems control not that Dems didn’t support the issues.
Dems will make compromises to get incremental change. I don’t fault them for that. They fight for every inch they can get. That’s not a flaw it’s a feature. Giving up something that is minor for bigger progress on something else can be worth it. Just like when Pelosi and Schumer gave up minor concessions to Trump for significant protection on the budget fight.
Their propensity for approaching issues with small, incremental change is why they’re losing to a populist while their constituents are being eaten alive by runaway capitalism.