AlsephinaNov 8, 2024

Europe Can’t Fund ‘Lost’ War in Ukraine Without US, Orban Says

https://lemmy.ml/post/22269975

Europe Can’t Fund ‘Lost’ War in Ukraine Without US, Orban Says - Lemmy

> Europe won’t be able to finance Ukraine’s defenses against Russia’s invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trump’s next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday. > Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war. > “The Americans are going to get out of this war,” Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. “Europe can’t finance this war on its own.” Archive link [https://ghostarchive.org/archive/LPfMV]

Show thread9point6Nov 8, 2024

Once again, Orban says exactly what Putin wants him to say

At some point it becomes malicious to even print what he says

Show threaddariusj18Nov 8, 2024
There is an unfortunate reality that there is a tipping point. At some point, Europe will need to cede Ukraine and stock up for itself to defend the next Russian incursion.
Show threaddavelNov 8, 2024

stock up for itself to defend the next Russian incursion.

As long as NATO stops its incursions, I don’t see why European states would need to do that.

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Show threaddariusj18Nov 8, 2024
I was saying that with the assumption that the US winds down support for Ukraine and is not seen as a trusted partner for European security.
Show threaddavel

I mean, the US Democrat administration blew up its European partner’s gas pipeline, which is a casus belli, so it was already untrustworthy.

Henry Kissinger:

  • America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
  • It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.
Nov 8, 2024 at 9:15pmWeb