ZaktorNov 8, 2024

Harris Tried to Win Over Republicans. Democratic Support Collapsed Instead.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/18905019

Harris Tried to Win Over Republicans. Democratic Support Collapsed Instead. - Sopuli

Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020. Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

Show threadModestMemeNov 8, 2024
So left wing Democrats responded by sitting on their hands instead of voting, knowingly allowing the country to slide into whatever authoritarian hellhole that awaits us? Now that’s the definition of pettiness.
Show threadb34kNov 8, 2024

Yes, my friend was one of them. I was shocked when 2 weeks before election he told me he was planning on not voting.

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal, but we need to vote to keep Trump out…. Sometimes we just have to be pragmatic.

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
Keeps allowing Trump to rise? What does he expect the Dems to do?
Show threadorclevNov 8, 2024
I don’t agree with him, but I think he’s expecting them to support liberal progressive policies. Seems to be taking the stance of “if we can’t improve things it’s better to watch it all burn rather than slowly rot”.
Show threadsomeguy3
Tell him that not voting to convince them to run liberal progressive policies won’t work. You can’t play Mexican standoff because the Dems have an out: the center voters.
Nov 8, 2024 at 3:36amWeb
Show threadorclevNov 8, 2024
I’m not OP so I don’t actually know him so I can’t tell him anything, although I do know one person like that. As for your point I’m not sure that actually follows since those center voters didn’t show up to save Harris this time. If the DNC keeps losing elections at some point, assuming we’re all still here and we even still have elections, they will have to try something different. It’s a very risky play but I also can’t say it won’t work.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
Harris relied on the left showing up for their rights and for democracy. That was a ton of her campaign. And the left didn’t show up. If they don’t show up for that, they won’t show up for anything.
Show threadorclevNov 8, 2024
I replied to your other comment where you said basically the same thing, but the short version is there clearly isn’t enough center voters for that to be a winning strategy. If they try that next election (If there even is a next election) it’s going to be an even more lopsided victory for the Republicans.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
See my other response. It’s the other way around, there isn’t enough left (or rather, if they can’t show up for their own human fucking rights and mfing democracy, they will never never never show up for literally anything). The center is the big juicy middle that exists, that Trump appealed to, who actually show up, whose votes are worth double (because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party), and where elections are won.
Show threadorclevNov 8, 2024
There’s left wing economic policies as well. Running on anti-monoploy and increased taxes on the rich, would be an excellent way to go further left and is exactly I think what a lot of people were looking for this election. Ignoring the economy is never a winning strategy unless the economy is already doing really well which it very much isn’t.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024

Yes, but the left never shows up. If they can’t show up for their own human rights, they will never never never show up. The Dems will never, ever put themselves into a situation where they rely on the left voters ever again, because they never show up. Harris said she’d tax the rich, and the left didn’t show up.

Ignoring the economy is never a winning strategy

I have no idea how you are missing what I’m saying. The economy is center policy. Yes yes yes. The Dems will go hard on the economy for the center voter. They will follow Bill Clinton’s “it’s the economy, stupid”. That’s how Bill Clinton won, by going to center. That’s what the Dems will do in the future focus on the economy to win the center voter. Again, that is center policy, not left.

Show threadUsernameHereNov 8, 2024
You’re right. I don’t buy this narrative that the dems lost because they were left enough. The polls show voters were motivated by inflation and thought Biden’s progressive policies were to blame.
Show threadTokenBoomerNov 8, 2024
The article says otherwise.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
So no one is ever allowed to think otherwise. Gotcha.
Show threadZaktorNov 8, 2024
What exactly do you think should have been done differently for Harris to activate this “just win with centrists” option? Because it very much seems like that was just tried and failed miserably.
Show threadorclevNov 8, 2024
Was just in a very long thread with him, but he seems to think economic issues are exclusively centrist.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 9, 2024
Not exclusively no lol, but it’s the center economic policy that will win. UBI for example is a left economic privilege and i sincerely doubt UBI will win an election. It will be seen as too much.
Show threadEugene V. Debs' GhostNov 9, 2024
Milquetoast liberal blames everyone but themselves, news at 11. Shame he’s named after a good root beer.
Show threadEnsign_CrabNov 8, 2024
They tried that this time. They basically told the left to fuck off and die. Moving to the right has very publicly failed.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
They literally told the left to come out for abortion rights and to save democracy. If the left doesn’t come out for that then 1) they will literally never show up, or 2) they don’t exist. Take your pick. Either the dems will never rely on the left showing up ever again. Kiss any left policy goodbye. They will go hard to the center. Clinton was right “it’s the economy stupid”.
Show threadEnsign_CrabNov 8, 2024
They had you at Dick Cheney.
Show threadsomeguy3Nov 8, 2024
Yup there it is lol!