jordanlundNov 6, 2024

Quick Note on the Election:

https://lemmy.world/post/21688235

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Show threadaubertloneNov 6, 2024

I think I’m just trying to convince myself…

But it’s not over yet. Lots of votes to be counted still

Show threadchronicledmonocleNov 6, 2024

Don’t give yourself false hope on the Presidential. It’s terribly unlikely.

Our best hope is the house stays blue and they can be a roadblock for the next two years until the midterms, which is likely what happens.

It’s going to be a tiring two years until midterms and four years until we can get rid of him. We’re going to have to fight tooth and nail to keep our rights and freedoms, but we can do it. I can only hope America wakes up once again from the nightmare.

Show threadfcSolarNov 6, 2024
I mean, there’s also hope, however slim, that Biden and Harris say "Fuck no, Trump will not be president again"and exercise some raw power to keep Trump out, or for Harris to engage in the same kind of legal fuckery Trump did. But, of course, Democrats are spineless by nature so neither of those things going to happen in all likelyhood.
Show threadReallyActuallyFrankensteinNov 6, 2024

I’m physically ill by this result, but this isn’t an option. You can’t save democracy by discarding democracy.

Trump could do it because he’s a fascist - he wants to discard democracy. A healthy system would have checked him not just then, but barred him from running again. We haven’t had a healthy system in a long time.

Show threadfcSolarNov 6, 2024

This is a pretty naive take. The remaining dregs that passed for democracy here were extinguished a few hours ago. There’s nothing even resembling a democracy left here. The only elections left will be show elections, if even that. Therefore, definitionally, we can no longer save democracy through democracy.

But if I’m being honest saving democracy in the US isn’t really all that high up on my list of priorities at this point. We’re facing down an exacerbated Gaza genocide, another in Ukraine, then Moldova, and domestically, the genocide LGBT people in general, and trans women in particular. Not to mention the enevitable murder of Trump’s political opponents and journalists critical of his regime. We’re pretty firmly into the “any means ncessary” zone.

Show threaddragontamerNov 6, 2024

Egos as big as Elon, Trump and others cannot work together for long.

The infighting will absolutely happen. The reigns of power only allow one grifter to be king above all others. L

The Republican Party now needs to reward Crypto, Tech, Military-Industrial complex, Trump’s teams, Religious vote and more. It’s easier to keep unified before you have power, but inevitably now that the Democrats are defeated… Their egotistical selves are setting their eyes onto their next prizes.

Show threadfcSolarNov 6, 2024
Sure and while they play around, those genocides I mentioned will still happen. And when their regime collapses, the chaos will kill even more people. This must be prevented.
Show threaddragontamer

Too late to prevent now.

Democrats refusing to give power now will forever destroy Democracy. The only hope we have is to give power to Trump and hope he doesn’t break it too much.

As others noted: it’s a one sided risk. Trump doesn’t care about the future of Democracy. Democrats do care.

I expect that most Republicans, despite voting for Trump stupidly, also care about Democracy.

We have likely lost not only the electoral college vote this time around, but even the Popular Vote. It’s a blowout. There’s no excuses on a Democracy perspective.

Nov 6, 2024 at 2:07pmWeb
Show threadfcSolarNov 6, 2024

Too late to prevent now.

Wow, someone more cynical than I am.

Democrats refusing to give power now will forever destroy Democracy.

That’s historically not true. Many interim governments do dissolve successfully after fulfilling their purpose. I’d expect such an interim government to last a decade, two tops while the constitution and judiciary is unfucked.

We have likely lost not only the electoral college vote this time around, but even the Popular Vote. It’s a blowout. There’s no excuses on a Democracy perspective.

As I said upchain, democracy really isn’t at the top of my priority list right now. Preventing 3-4 additional genocides is.

I expect that most Republicans, despite voting for Trump stupidly, also care about Democracy.

Yeah no. The median republican voter only cares about furthering their hate, and seeing the people hey don’t like hurt. Remember “He’s hurting the wrong people!”?

Show threaddragontamerNov 6, 2024
I don’t think a non-Democracy or otherwise forced interim government can stand today. There’s no legal basis and you’re basically asking for Biden to just coup the election.
Show threadfcSolarNov 6, 2024
There’s rarely, if ever, a legal basis for an interim government. Just like there’s no provision in the constitution for replacing it, this is basically how it’s done. And honestly I’d rather Biden keep the reigns for a little while at least. Harris is the obvious choice there, but she’s a too right wing for my tastes.