Rolando

Is Everett True an intelligent voter? (November 3, 1920)

https://lemmy.world/post/21587408

Is Everett True an intelligent voter? (November 3, 1920) - Lemmy.World

Printed 104 years ago today in The West Virginian. Image slightly cleaned up, see the original [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wvu/batch_wvu_rollins_ver01/data/sn86072054/00415660522/1920110301/0494.pdf]. Found on the Library of Congress site [https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?date1=1777&date2=1963&language=&sequence=&lccn=&state=&rows=50&ortext=&proxtext=Outbursts+of+Everett+True&year=&phrasetext=&andtext=&proxValue=&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=166&sort=date]. Feel free to post something yourself!

Nov 3, 2024 at 2:17pmWeb
Show threadRolandoNov 3, 2024

I disapprove of Mrs True’s use of violence here, but I think it’s good to occasionally post some of these cartoons that are more dated, for the same reasons as the earlier post about selection bias. See also these other cartoons that came out on the same day over the years:

The cartoon selected above is also a bit tougher to clean up, and I didn’t spend that much time on it. The newspaper page it was on was pretty damaged. There are some very interesting articles on that page though, including “Bolshevists Plan Unique Monument”, “German Intrigue in Bomb Plot”, and a bunch of ads and classifieds (which are always fun).

Everett True and Selection Bias (Links to 20 cartoons!) - Lemmy.World

People sometimes ask why these old comics are still relatable, and part of the answer is: selection bias [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias]! Namely, those of us who post them tend to select those that we find relatable. To highlight that, here are all the Everett True comics on the Library of Congress site that came out on October 26 (of various years). These are not cleaned up or even cropped from their newspaper: - Everett True doesn’t give up his seat [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_indianplum_ver02/data/sn87093407/00211107388/1905102601/0407.pdf]! 1905. Inconsistent with how he acts in future years - Everett True complains to Mrs True [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_columbia_ver01/data/sn88085947/00211108563/1906102601/1287.pdf] 1906. A candidate for selection - Everett True berates an employee [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_columbia_ver01/data/sn88085947/00211108587/1908102601/1276.pdf] 1908. Not very good behavior. - Everett True discusses tariffs [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_hemlock_ver02/data/sn87093407/00211107509/1910102601/0421.pdf]. 1910. Kind of relevant to current US politics. But the joke isn’t that great. - Everett True objects to a preacher’s language [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/mimtptc/batch_mimtptc_gulliver_ver01/data/sn83016689/00279551709/1910102601/1035.pdf]. 1910. Probably more relevant back in the day. - Everett True pushes past a guy [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_fir_ver01/data/sn88085187/00211108381/1914102601/1023.pdf]. 1914. Kind of funny, but not really all that exciting - Everett True wants to get waited on [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/iune/batch_iune_golf_ver01/data/sn83045487/00280761291/1914102601/1505.pdf]. 1914. Maybe kind of relateable… not really though. - Everett True objects to a card game [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/mimtptc/batch_mimtptc_ingalls_ver01/data/sn83016689/00279552040/1914102601/0553.pdf]. 1914. I don’t really get it, but I don’t play cards… - Everett True doesn’t do chores [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/iune/batch_iune_india_ver01/data/sn83045487/00280761278/1916102601/1489.pdf]. 1916. Only slightly relateable - Everett True objects to a dating couple [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_klickitat_ver01/data/sn87093407/00200290707/1916102601/0456.pdf]. 1916. wtf? - Everett True beats up a drunk who doesn’t buy a Liberty Loan [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wa/batch_wa_klickitat_ver01/data/sn87093407/00200290707/1916102601/0456.pdf]. 1917. Kind of dated. - Everett True beats up another guy who didn’t buy a Liberty Bond [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/mimtptc/batch_mimtptc_nazareth_ver01/data/sn83016689/00414181818/1917102601/0775.pdf]. 1917. Also kind of dated. Note that the quality of this image is very poor. - Everett True beats up a guy who wakes him up [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/mimtptc/batch_mimtptc_nazareth_ver01/data/sn83016689/00414181818/1917102601/0775.pdf]. 1918. Dated, kind of… - Everett True objects to tipping [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/uuml/batch_uuml_julich_ver01/data/sn85058396/print/1918102601/0294.pdf]. 1918. Very relevant, though they seemed to tip differently back then. A candidate for selection. - Everett True freaks out on the phone [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/wvu/batch_wvu_rollins_ver01/data/sn86072054/00415660546/1921102601/0509.pdf]. 1921. I don’t really get this one, I think he was listening to “hold music”? - Everett True gets called to bail out a friend who was speeding [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/fu/batch_fu_cedarkey_ver01/data/sn87062268/00271762215/1921102601/0504.pdf]. 1921. A candidate for selection. - Everett True can’t get a word in [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/oru/batch_oru_grizzly_ver01/data/sn88086023/00295868454/1921102601/0237.pdf]. 1921. A candidate for selection. - Everett True irritates Mrs True [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/oru/batch_oru_belladonna_ver01/data/sn99063812/00280760134/1921102601/0782.pdf]. 1921. Would be a candidate for selection but I’m not crazy about Mrs True referring to his “brutality” - it sounds like he’s abusive (which he isn’t shown to be). - Everett True has gout [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/oru/batch_oru_humbug_ver02/data/sn88086023/0029586848A/1922102601/0213.pdf]. 1922. Wat is gout? I thought only Kings of England got it. Seems dated. - Everett True hates jazz [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/oru/batch_oru_humbug_ver02/data/sn88086023/0029586848A/1922102601/0213.pdf]. 1922. seems weird. I think jazz back then was like rock n roll was later on? SO TO SUMMARIZE, out of 20 candidates, only 4 of these are candidates for selection. I’d probably pick the one related to the dangers of speeding [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/fu/batch_fu_cedarkey_ver01/data/sn87062268/00271762215/1921102601/0504.pdf], because it might appeal to the [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/c/fuckcars] crowd (of which I am one!) Or maybe the one about tipping [https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ndnp/uuml/batch_uuml_julich_ver01/data/sn85058396/print/1918102601/0294.pdf], since the image is a lot cleaner. But many of the other ones are dated, some don’t make sense, and some even present Everett in a very unflattering light. Another thing to think about is that this may not be a complete selection of the comics that could be available. Some might only be in newspapers that are not in the Library of Congress’ archives. Some might not have been selected for publication by the editors of the papers that are (because I think a batch of comics would be sent to the newspapers periodically, and the editors would then fit one in whenever they had room). And some, like that one example from 1917, might be in such poor condition that it couldn’t be cleaned up enough. I think this is a type of survivorship bias [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias], but I’m not sure. Anyway, I hope that was interesting! And if it wasn’t, then… OUTBURST.jpg. EDIT: I should have ended this by saying: as you can see, there are plenty of comics that aren’t chosen, but maybe you see some that you think are worthwhile! If so please feel free to post it! Just take a screencap and crop, look for more comics here: - library of congress [https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?date1=1777&rows=50&searchType=basic&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=Outbursts+of+Everett+True&y=13&x=19&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1&sort=date] (older interface) - library of congress [https://www.loc.gov/collections/chronicling-america/?qs=outbursts+of+everett+true&ops=%7E5&searchType=advanced&dl=page&start_date=1905-01-01&end_date=1963-10-31&sb=date] (newer interface) - collection [https://www.barnaclepress.com/comic/Outbursts%20of%20Everett%20True/] - july 15 1905 to sept 14 1909, 494 comics - collection [https://d.lib.msu.edu/gnn/1562], 1907, 94 pages

Show threadalcoholicornNov 3, 2024

I disapprove of Mrs True’s use of violence here

Nah, you don’t get to approve oppressed people’s struggle for equality.

Show threadnaughtNov 3, 2024
Did women use violence to get the right to vote?
Show threadalcoholicornNov 3, 2024

It’s more complicated in the US as the suffragette movement was used to kill the suffragist movement; by giving white women the right to vote, they were able to break the early solidarity between wealthier white women and the movements for black people, poor people, catholics, etc.

In the UK the suffragette movement involved a campaign of bombing, arson, and attacks on politicians and attacks/kidnappings of politicians.

Suffragette bombing and arson campaign - Wikipedia

Show threadnaughtNov 3, 2024
Interesting ty!
Show threadgrueNov 3, 2024
Looks like a cross between the Eiffel Tower and a roller coaster.
Show threadKazuyaDarklightNov 3, 2024
Is that to say that all of Mr. True’s violence is ok? Because I’ve not seen such a disclaimer for any of his outbursts.
Show threadRolandoNov 3, 2024
Ah, good point. What I specificaly had in mind was conservative husbands worried their wives might be voting for Kamala this cycle. There’s a danger that such husbands might be violent against their wives, and I think it’s worth discussing. But because of that, “the joke” of the cartoon is more problematic.
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Show threadVieuxQuebNov 3, 2024
Less than 5000$ to buy a large home and plot of land !
Show threadIndiBronyNov 3, 2024

I mean, the use of violence as a solution is basically the running gag of most True comics, so I generally give it a pass even if it’s unnecessary or excessive.

I think it still serves the point. Without any research, I’m not sure if this is in reference to an actual vote being held around the time of publication, but given the context clues, it’s clearly a vote that serves to benefit women in a time where women’s rights were absolutely at the forefront of the conversation.

Looking it up, this is a little over 2 months after the 19th amendment. This was such a huge time period for women getting on the same footing as men that I’m sure many women whose husbands weren’t helping their wives and daughters would resonate with the feelings expressed here.

Show threadMrsDoyleNov 4, 2024
I want a spirit pencil. “Writes valuable messages.”