FredselfishErarly voting in Oklahoma. Lets hope this isn't our last election.
style99Don’t worry. Either way, there will still be elections. The real question is whether we start to see candidates “accidentally” falling out of windows or drinking poisoned tea, etc.
Well they better be careful how far they push it, or else the super PAC leaders, the thinktanks, and the 1% are going to start dieing in interesting ways.
The press has already walked back at the threat of Trump, so the autocracy has already begun. It’s happening, pre election.
This terrifies me.
Right there with you.
“Walked back at the threat of trump”, can you explain what you mean by this a little more? Sorry I’m just not sure what it means.
He’s probably talking about the media capitalulating to the Trump campaign by agreeing not to fact check during the Vance/Walz debate. And most recently, the WSJ blocking the Harris endorsement. I.e. a lot of the very rich and powerful people seem to be acting like an authoritarian Trump administration is inevitable, and they’re trying to avoid his wrath or position themselves to be favored oligarchs.
It will be the last election in this version of America. The problem is that Trump may legitimately win this election. Voters, a majority may he causing this.
What then? What if it is the last election in the version of America, and Trump wins legitimately? What does the left do if this happens? How much will you watch the country change? Will you be strong enough in your convictions to resist passification? Mental, and or physical passification?
What will the future hold under Trump? Who knows.
I will stock up ammo and be prepared, but I want just sit back and watch it happen. I will fight. I have LGBTQ kids no fucking way will I sit back and let Trumps world become the norm.
To be honest if Trump wins its really going be JD Vance as president. They will remove Trump and Vance will in act Project 2025 on day 1.
I.do hope with the huge turn out that this filps and Harris wins. There was a lot of women in line to vote. I hope a lot of them are secretly voting against their mega husband wishes.
I hope so, really discouraging to see the maga women who just accept it
A gentle reminder that the Socialist Rifle Association is a thing! No personal experience with them, but I like that they’re an underdog foil to your typical “American gun culture” stereotypes.
I should really be more active about this. I don’t have the money to dump a ton of brass on the regular but I enjoy the freedom to do it while keeping my ideals!
𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆Hello, fellow Okie.
I know how this state is going to vote. It’s been a given every year for nearly six decades. But I’m still gonna vote, as I have in every election since I turned 18. Change doesn’t happen if those who want it get discouraged and sit their asses at home.
What has really inspired me this year is the overwhelming majority of Harris-Walz signs in my neighborhood. I stopped counting, but I reckon there are at least thirty of them. I’ve seen a grand total of five Trump-Vance signs, and three of them are at the same house.
I’d be very happy just to see Oklahoma actually wait until the polls close to declare the republican presidential win…
I swear every year, they decide it so early I am convinced the electors don’t even care what the vote counts are. There is no fucking way backwards as fuck Oklahoma figured out a way to accurately track and count votes faster than any other state - and voter turnout would need to be so high they know it can’t possibly turn around in the last 2 hours of the polls still being open? Yea right.
pelespiritIt’s because of the small population. They can tell that there is no way for the other person to take over by a certain time if they have a certain percentage that have already voted.
For example: If you have 100 people voting and 70 people have turned theirs in with 3 of those going to the other side, there is no way the side with 3 votes can win.
It’s not that small a population…I know 4 million isn’t a ton compared to several other states, but it’s not tiny either.
It works in larger populations too, they just go by counties and towns. The math is still the same.
Wow another Okie!
Crazy storms in the Tulsa area for us btw. And probably why I also see Harris Walz signs. We’re about to get a Democrat for a mayor!
I reeeeeeeally envy y’all for that flag. The design is dope.
My house district represented by a Dem so it’s not that surprising to see Harris-Walz signs, but it IS surprising to see so many. As someone who grew up in the butt crack of Jackson County in DEEP Republican territory, it’s just such a breath of fresh air to be able to live around neighbors who aren’t crazy goobers.
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Feel really old now but is only been since 2011 since Brad Henry was governor.
Why does it look like your voting location is just a random house? Voting here happens in school buildings or things of that scale usually with at least 20+ booths in parallel.
Or do you just have many locations?
TroyI think the line is just very long and the actual location is the building off in the distance.
Looks like the line is leading into that house to me.
That looks like a community centre entrance to me. Could be wrong :)
This is the local election board office.
Oh okay funny lookin building, thanks for clarifying :)
miskLittle bit of advice from Poland. I’ve seen this kind of mindset before.
When liberals tell you losing will mean the end of democracy they exaggerate a lot. People grow tired of fighting with such high stakes so in the long run you just wear them out. Sure, if Trump wins things will suck definitely but it’s not the end of the world. Ultimately biggest political parties serve various oligarchs so once Dems are inevitably back some years from now you’ll notice not much is changing for you personally.
MegaUltraChickenPeople grow tired of fighting with such high stakes so in the long run you just wear them out
This is true.
Sure, if Trump wins things will suck definitely but it’s not the end of the world. Ultimately biggest political parties serve various oligarchs so once Dems are inevitably back some years from now you’ll notice not much is changing for you personally.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
It’s okay to be tired. Fight anyway. That is what is required to maintain Democracy. Giving in to authoritarianism because it’s easier is a bitch move.
This is where I vehemently disagree. Just because you’re not going to be one of the first ones they target doesn’t mean it’s no big deal. They’re talking about using our local police to round millions of people up and put them in camps, and you’re going to sit there and tell me it’s not the end of the world? Get the fuck out of here.
Your mistake is believing any politician, Trump included. He says crazy stuff to win votes, not to actually implement it. This is true of libs in general as well.
You haven’t been paying attention. Trump tried to implement this stuff last time and was stopped by people loyal to the Constitution. ALL of those people are gone. He is surrounded by people who WILL carry out his orders. Trump rarely learns, but he has absolutely learned a lesson when it comes to staffing.
This is true of libs in general as well
This is a ridiculous attempt to both sides. Give us an example. What compares to “we’re going to detain and deport millions of people”?
I’m not interested in political theatre, I judge based on outcomes because it’s impossible to know intent.
In Poland libs were very up their arms about human rights abuse against migrants on the Belarusian border. Just months after they got back into power they formally suspended ability to request asylum (mandated by Geneva convention and EU basic rights charter). Similar stuff in France as well.
I’m genuinely curious, who is getting rounded up? And who’s going to let that happen?
The president has supreme authority over the executive branch, which includes the military. Trump has explicitly said that he would implement mass deportations, and has called democrats “the enemy within” while in the same breath saying that the national guard could be used to put them in prison.
I don’t think he should be in charge of anything, but even if he were I can’t imagine there are enough people willing to follow those orders to actually carry them out.
He’s talking about deporting millions of illegal immigrants, which will probably require putting them in a camp at least temporarily.
So the “camps” side of things definitely feels gross, but he’s “threatening” to enforce the law, that’s not wrong. Now if he’s weaponizing the system to deport his opposition or otherwise law abiding citizens, that’s a problem.
He has promised to deport pro-palestine protesters.
Most of whom are born Americans.
You’re not paying attention. The camps are for far more than just the undocumented.
Okay, but legally he can’t do that. No matter how much he wants to. And once again, orders are as only good as the people who are tasked with carrying them out.
He’s a literal criminal who has filled the courts with his minons and the police love him.
Who’s going to stop him? Seriously who?
His term this time is going to be worse than last time because he and the republican party have removed all the ways we have to stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Official acts are completely legal now. He can order protesters executed and the supreme court already said that’s fine.
This is why the second amendment exists.
It’s worth noting here that the President, as per the supreme Court, is immune from all prosecution if his actions result from the scope of his duties. It would be trivial for Trump to argue that deporting everybody he doesn’t like is within the scope of his duties, whether it’s lawful or not. That’s the unique danger we face right now: a combination of a strong man and a uniquely deferential SCOTUS. It’s never happened in American history.
Sigh people who think a piece of paper with ink scribbles will protect them… 😮💨
Presidents issue orders against the law all the time and they’re carried out. The damage is done before the issue even hits a court room and then you assume that the judge is willing to risk their life to protect your rights? 😂
A lot of the people he wants to deport are people claiming asylum because the country they come from is too dangerous to be in. Letting those people stay here while they plead their case is one of our lawful treaty obligations. Rounding them up and summarily deporting them is not enforcing the law it’s abrogating the law.
Trump is litterally the one telling people that. “Im going to be dictator for a day”. “Vote for me and you’ll never have to vote again”. “We need to use the miltary to rid of the radicals”.
If you’re truely polish, you should be well aware of what a man that says these things can do.
Do you believe everything Trump says? Is he somehow that one politician that’s going to keep his promises no matter how hard they are to implement? Do you believe everything Harris says?
I’m Polish so I have a good estimate of how this is going to go. Trump is copying Orban / Kaczyński. Dems are copying Tusk who is seen as one to stop illiberal democracy in EU.
If Dems lose they will say every single thing Trump does is an attack on democracy, even if there are rare instances of a broken clock is right twice a day. Ultimately this will erode trust in politics and public institutions even more. Then once Dems are back at the wheel they will want to remain in power so some of the bad things Trump did but people found okay will suddenly be okay. Been there, done that.
When someone walks up to you with a gun pointed at your head theeatneing to wnd your life. Do you ignore them and carry on as if nothing is happening?
Doesnt matter if they have no intention of causing harm, the threat needs to be treated as it were real because it absolutely can be real.
Nobody is pointing a gun at your head, you’re using an unnecessary and unproductive hyperbole. This kind of escalation is what’s going to erode remaining usefulness of political debate.
I really hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t want any of this to happen. I hope others will learn from our mistakes.
The same ccouldve been said for 1933 Germany. There were plenty of people then saying “hey doesn’t really mean it. Hes just trying to rile up the masses for votes”. 6 years later they were rolling tanks through your country.
Dont ever be compilict to someone making threats.
Or, maybe, it’s a bit of an overreaction and you don’t live in the ascent of new Nazi Germany but because you’re so hysterical now nobody is going to treat you seriously when actual bad things happen. Also been there, done that. I’m saying this with your best interest in mind because we already made those mistakes.
Unfortunately US might be fucked due to two party system but the actual solution to your troubles is honest debate. Try to listen to what Trump voters are afraid of. Some of their concerns are probably valid but they have been misled by shrewd politicians. They won’t regain trust by treating them like children. Or nazis.
You cant debate with bigots.
Not every Trump voter is a bigot, I’m certain of that. People have different problems in their life and have to be pragmatic in how they use their voting power. Some have different priorities, some have been misled. What you’re doing is only polarising society and because nobody wants to be wrong it only leads to entrenching in positions which those people might not have held before.
No. Every single trump voter is a bigot. Even if they are the type that votes purely rather or not its the R beside hes name. They are compilict.
Trump is extremely vocel about his bigotry and if that doesnt convince you he’s not a good leader, then you are in fact a bigot.
You’re doing more harm than good with this attitude but at least you have achieved a moral victory, right? We did that too.
Yeah, tell me how well applying this to anyone voting for Trump goes in a couple of years. If you have a moral high ground but didn’t achieve anything then is it something you’re interested in?
ok. enlightment how to have a civil debate with people that wants to blame all their problems on people purely based on their birth characteristics?
For starters, by not assuming every single one of them blames all their problems on people purely based on their birth characteristics. Treat them with no prejudice. You’re likely prejudiced against lower class people and not even realise it. Listen to what they have to say and see what led them to distrust public institutions, what are their troubles and priorities.
I get their distrust. I dont get why they would put their trust in a person that is very much the embodiment of the reason for the distrust.
Why do you say i have prejudice against lower class? Most the ones i know thag support him are higher class than me.
Most the ones i know that support him are higher class than me.
Statistically this is not a representative group.