Elon's Death Machine (aka Tesla) Mows Down Deer at Full Speed , Keeps Going on "Autopilot"

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Elon's Death Machine (aka Tesla) Mows Down Deer at Full Speed , Keeps Going on "Autopilot" - Lemmy.World

OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right. How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we’re going to allow Elon to murder every year?

Honestly, I’m surprised the car was still in one piece. I’ve seen semi-trucks disintegrate after hitting a dear.
In what way? If it’s the bumpers and the crumple zone, then that’s a feature. Do you have a picture about what you are talking about? I’m curious.
If the deer is above certain height, its body comes up and enters your precious room through the windshield. You are lucky if you survive then.
You are thinking of moose.
No they aren’t. Deer are often struck mid-bound which will absolutely send them flying into your windshield. Also, depending on what part of the world you are in, deer can get pretty huge.
We’re talking about semis. Deer aren’t tall enough, nor are they anywhere near big enough.
Moose are technically deer (taxonomic family Cervidae, which also contains reindeer, red deer, roe deer, etc). And a big bull can weigh almost a (US conventional) ton. I don’t know whether that’s enough to trash a modern semi (based on an old memory of an apparently undamaged semi and a dead moose on the shoulder of an Ontario highway in the 1990s, I’d guess probably not, or at least not always), but I wouldn’t want to be the driver of the semi, either. Hitting them in an ordinary passenger vehicle—like any Tesla product—is something you really don’t want to do.
Moose are worse because they are heavier and the impact means most of the body mass goes ibtonthe windshield, but deer go right over hoods and into the windsheild on most cars too.
In a semi truck?
I don’t keep pictures like that on me, and I don’t feel like doing a google search for you. Travel blue ridge parkway or skyline drive, or any back road in the Appalachians and you will see what happens when a ten point meets metal.

I’ve seen semi-trucks disintegrate after hitting a dear.

I’d like to see that, I’ve seen modern regular full size trucks annihilate a deer without disintegrating. Semis wouldn’t be bothered much unless you’re talking about something larger like a moose. Deer are about the same weight as humans, whatever is good at killing humans is usually good for deer.

The average weight of an adult male is 203 lb (maximum, 405 lb). The average weight of a female is about 155 lb (maximum, 218 lb).

www.esf.edu/aec/adks/mammals/wtd.php

White-tailed Deer

The first part of the common name refers to the 6-11 inches, bushy tail which the animal erects when disturbed, displaying the white hairs of the outer edge and under surface.

Granted the semi I saw had a guard on the front of it, but I witnessed one smoke a fully grown cow at 70mph. Sent the cow and pieces of it flying about 100 feet, with no visible damage to the truck at all. There was a tremendous amount of blood and spatter everywhere and my own car got a ton of blood on it from the cloud of guts and blood made by the truck. Mostly there was just shit everywhere leading up to the remnants of the carcass, but the truck gave no fucks whatsoever. I asked the driver if he was ok and he didn’t even seem to have any agitation whatsoever, more like “oh, another one”.

A truck will not disintegrate, there might be damage if it didn’t have a guard, but against a deer, that must’ve been a paper mache piece of shit truck if it disintegrated on a deer.

To err is human; To really foul things up you need a computer.
Why does this read like an ad for cybertrucks for people who would want to run over deer
What’s Kennedy driving these days?
Only keeping the regular cameras was a genius move to hold back their full autonomy plans
The day he said that “ReGULAr CAmErAs aRe ALl YoU NeEd” was the day I lost all trust in their implementation. And I’m someone who’s completely ready to turn over all my driving to an autopilot lol
You can’t understand his ironman levels of genius because of your below-billionnaire mind
I believe we can make a self-driving car with only optical sensors that performs as well as a human someday. I don’t think today is that day, or that we shouldn’t aim for self-driving to be far better than human drivers.
Hardware 4 models have a radar on the front as well.

The poster, who pays Tesla CEO Elon Musk for a subscription to the increasingly far-right social media site, claimed that the FSD software “works awesome” and that a deer in the road is an “edge case.” One might argue that edge cases are actually very important parts of any claimed autonomy suite, given how drivers check out when they feel the car is doing the work, but this owner remains “insanely grateful” to Tesla regardless.

How are these people always such pathetic suckers.

I grew up in Maine. Deer in the road isn’t an edge case there. It’s more like a nightly occurrence.

Same in Kansas. Was in a car that hit one in the 80s and see them often enough that I had to avoid one that was crossing a busy interstste highway last week.

Deer are the opposite of an edge case in the majority of the US.

Putting these valid points aside we’re also all just taking for granted that the software would have properly identified a human under the same circumstances…
I’m not taking that for granted. If it can’t tell a solid object os in the road, I would guess that would be true for a human that is balled up or facing away as well.
Same, hit one just south of Lyndon at night.
It’s no different in Southern Ontario where I live. Saw a semi truck plow into one, it really wasn’t pretty. Another left a huge dent on my mom’s car when she hit one driving at night.
I drove through rural Arkansas at sundown once. I’ve never seen so many deer in my life.
Same in northern Michigan in mid summer. And most of New England as well.
I grew up in upstate NY so I’m no stranger to deer. This was something else. We were driving through the Winding Staircase mountain and there were hundreds of them. My wife kept screaming and grabbing my arm while I was driving until I had to stop in the middle of the (empty except for us and the deer) road to calmly explain that she was making the situation significantly worse.

Fences alongside the road and special animal crossings are unfeasible with US roads length, yes?..

I’ve read that they do that … somewhere.

Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well. In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse - which is why most insurance companies won't increase your rates if you hit a deer and file a claim for repairs.

The only way to not hit/kill hundreds of deer (thousands? I don't know the number) every year is to reduce rural speed limits to unreasonably slow speeds. Deer jump out of dark places right in front of cars all the time - the only option to avoid it that might work is either drive in the other lanes (which sometimes means into an oncoming car), or into the ditch (you have no clue what might be there - if you are lucky the car just rolls, but there could be large rocks or strong fence posts and the car stops instantly. Note that this all happens fast, you can't think you only get to react. Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

Deer jump out of dark places

that one was just standing there, yo

If tesla also used radar or other sensing systems instead of limiting themselves to only cameras then being in the dark wouldn’t be an issue.

Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

Which the Tesla didn’t do. It plowed full speed into the deer, which arguably made the collision much much worse than it could have been. I doubt the thing was programmed to maintain speed into a deer. The more likely alternative is that the FSD couldn’t tell there was a deer there in the first place.

Braking dips the hood making it easier for the deer to go into the windshield. You should actually speed up right before hitting to make your hood go up and make it hopefully go under.
This sounds made up
If you think physics is made up, sure…
I don’t think a brief increase in gas is going to gently slide the 300 pound buck under my car
Sliding the deer under your car is also really bad for you. It’s going to do a lot of damage under there such as ripping break lines, destroying ball joints, or fragging your differentials. You need to safely shed as much speed as possible while maintaining your lane when about to hit a deer.

Considering suspension, if you accelerate there’s a lowering of the back of the car/raising of the front.

Conversely, breaking has the opposite effect, increasing the chances of the deer rolling over your hood and through your windshield.

You’ll want to minimize that, hence the acceleration.

Read the other comments in this thread for why it doesn’t work like that
When you learn how to drive you’ll understand why everything you’re saying is nonsense.

The physics is F=(m*v)/t

I.e. the greater the velocity the greater the force of impact.

A moving vehicle in real life is a bit more complicated of an equation, factor in the car’s angle towards the horizontal as you accelerate or brake, that’s the original point, but whatever.

factor in the car’s angle towards the horizontal as you accelerate or brake

So almost zero difference. Cars do not rock back and forth like a yo-yo when they accelerate or brake.

Now factor in the difference of force between hitting something at 40 and hitting something at 80 or more.

The three of you trying to argue this are probably the dumbest people I’ve ever seen on this site.
aight what’s your strategy for hitting a giraffe, then?

Same for a moose? Speed up so you clear it before gravity caves your car roof.

You maintain speed, you can’t maneuver well if braking, and as stated your hood dips while braking too.

No, for moose you are actually supposed to swerve and risk the ditch.
That’s a good strategy to ensure you die: a mooses torso is already higher than the hood of of a lot of SUVs, so you’re taking a moose to the face.

The whole premise of ABS brakes, which all cars made in North America since 2012 will have, is specifically to allow you to maintain control when you fully apply the brakes. Unless you are a professional driver or have a car without ABS, you should just fully apply the brakes in an emergency stop. Please stop telling people that fully applying the brakes will reduce manueverability when it won’t for the majority of drivers in the developed world.

And if someone’s vehicle doesn’t have ABS, they should know how to properly brake without locking their tires, and when it won’t be appropriate to use them.

I don't know, where I live giraffes are only in the zoo and thus never on the road. I'm not aware of any escaping the zoo.

I'm sure if I lived around wild deere, my training would include that, but since I don't I was able to save some time by not learning that.

What if you’re driving through a zoo though?
I've never been in a zoo I'm allowed to drive more thln e wheelchair through. They may require extra training - I would not know

Maybe, but it’s still the case that slowing down will impart less energy to the collision. Let up on the brake before impact if you want, but you should have been braking once you first saw the deer in the road.

Sometimes those fuckers just jump out at you at the last minute. They’re not smart. But if you click the link, this one was right in the middle of the road, with that “Deer in the headlights” look. There was plenty of time e to slow down before impact.

Conditions matter, braking removes your ability to maneuver as well, and locking the brakes up which will almost always happen when you panic break, would be the worst scenario.

If it jumps out and you can’t do anything but brake, you shouldn’t do that, you grip the wheel and maintain speed, and if you can’t punch the gas for the hood raise. But people panic and can’t think.

You should know how to brake without causing maneuver problems (including not locking up the wheels). It is a basic skill needed for many situations. Just keep slowing down, the accelerate just before impact is something that can only be done in movies - any real world attempt will be worse - remember if you keep braking you lose momentum, so the acceleration needs to be perfectly timed or it is worse.