š“ hamid the villain [he/him] š“White Jesus
crawanconJesus, what do you mean by āyou peopleā?
Well heās talking to a little black girl about race, so itās either black people or all of not white people.
monkešµNah, not Jesus too š
Boomer Humor DoomergodBecause the Vorlons have programmed the younger species to view them as holy beings
I wonder what Iād see if I perceived a Vorlon. Bill Nye the Science Guy?
You know that thereās different depictions of Jesus in many races, right? Like, people in Africa have depictions of a black Jesus, for example.
Š°Š»ŃŠ°Š°Š°Ń [she/her]Itās about European churches using historical revisionism (depicting Jesus as a white European) to establish a sense of āsuperiorityā.
Those churches are by far the most dominant
I prefer juiced up Korean Jesus. Does thy god even lift?
I had to check this out. Jesus!!!
jlow (he/him)Jesus the Barbarian, amazing āØ
ÉÆį“uoŹuÉFrankly this comes off almost as a conspiracy theory. Christian art in Europe developed its typical imagery when the vast majority of Europeans could have no direct contact with non-Europeans, before colonialism or coherent ideas about racial identities, when far-off lands were thought to be occupied by one-legged giantsā¦
You know thatā¦ Christianity developed in the Roman Empire? The Middle East wasnāt some magical place where giants lived, but a province of said Empire
Christianity developed in the Roman Empire?
Iām pretty sure weāre talking about the pictorial representation of Jesus, not when Christianity itself developed. Christian figurative art in Rome was rare and undeveloped, I highly doubt you have on your mind some examples of Roman portrayal of Jesus that actually support your idea. Thatās why I focused on the middle ages, when the typical iconography zook shape - to the best of my knowledge, but maybe Iām talking with an actual art historian in which case you should have no problem with proving me wrong with examples.
Iām also confused about how you actually imagine the development of the supposedly racist Roman images of Jesus went about. At which stage did that happen, before or after Christianity became the state religion? Were Romans racist against the Middle East populations before Christianity too? Were Romans from the Apennine peninsula racist against them based on their darker skin colour, while themselves certainly being darker-skinned than e.g. Gauls?
Dude: ports exist, people trade, across the Mediterranean you can find lots of different skin colours and customs.
Nobility and their favoured travelled extensively, skilled tradespeople would undertake elaborate pilgramidge if they could afford it all the way to Jerusalem. Even serfs got to go on pilgrimage although usually not to Jerusalem but to other cathedrals.
Stop with this ahistorical nonsense. Maybe someone in the British isles might not have much contact of the greater world but the HRE? Spain? Italy? The western Roman empire? Of fucking course they did.
Yeah, I think the far easier explanation is āpeople around the world depict their religious figures as looking like themselvesā.
maria [she/her]Humans depict god and his boy like a human, so yeh makes sense
Not seeing a lot of purple-skinned five-legged jesuses around here.
How are we supposed to get outraged at that though?
āBlack Jesusā is a deliberate response to the traditional white depiction of Jesus, arising out of an acrimonious colonial relationship with whites. Weāre trying to discuss why Jesus was depicted as white in the first place.
Actually, Christianity in Ethiopia dates from the 4th century and is not the result of European colonialism.
Their Jesus usually looks pretty black.
Yeah, thatās definitely an exception, though those depictions were often directly inspired by European artistic depictions. In Protestant Africa, the story is quite different.
The real Jesus was brown was he not?
who cares. christianity is stupid and bad for society.
He was Palestinian.
Why donāt you make your point instead of appealing to other people?
NutomicMaybe there never was a real Jesus.
who cares. christianity is stupid and bad for society.
If anything, itās stupid and bad for society to outright dismiss peoples faith. Faith and hope is a huge part of what drives humans in the first place.
You can still have faith and hope without religion though. Iām not religious and have faith that the good in humanity will prevail. I have hope for a better future created by humanity.
What is āprevailingā? What is ābetterā? What if I disagree with you? Etc etc. There is no justification for secular āmoralityā. It is mob rule.
Why would your beliefs affect my beliefs at all? Iām just showing that belief and hope are not dependent on religion.
Why would your beliefs affect my beliefs at all? What beliefs? You havenāt stated, much less justified, them.
Iām just showing that belief and hope are not dependent on religion. Youāre showing that you can string words together to form a sentence but not much else.
I never said that you canāt have faith or hope without religion. Iām not religious myself. But faith expresses itself differently for different people. And in the end, no one can really prove to the living that their answer to life was the truly correct one.
Some people get faith and hope from Christianity. Or Islam, or Buddhistm or others. Nothing wrong with that.
There should be a black Jesus, just like there is a black Santa or a black Barbie.
There is.
Of course search engines are all shitted up with the TV show and ai slop.
gedaliyahThe ārightymemesā version of this is a kid asking Miles Morales why heās brown and having text below that says
āBecause, Iām a psychological tool. By creating the image of a brown Spider-Man this subliminally engrains the myth of brown superiority into the subconscious minds of white people. This makes you people more compliant with our brown dominance over your lives.ā
The circumstances of oneās birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
Itās one thing to make an observation of how Jesusās āimageā has been adopted by different ethnicities, but when the official lore is that all humans are made in the image of God I think there are more productive ways to approach the topic of the societal impact of whitewashing.
I guess itās the difference between saying āfictional white characters/heroes are bad because they reinforce white supremacyā vs asking āhow foolish is it to look at a painting and try to judge which color of paint is ābestā?ā
Because he was drawn by Europeans
Just like Black/Yellow Jesus existing in those populations
You ask someone to draw a person, they will likely draw someone resembling people they see. If you tell an artist a thousand years ago āfrom the middle eastā they will say whatās that
Then you just propagate those depictions
OK, so why did they persist with it for all the centuries in between and still to this day?
The last line
You grow up with whatever colour Jesus, then you do your drawing
Lol, its not that I didnāt understand or that I missed it. Itās that I disagree that its a cogent reason.
When I was young, I used to draw pictures of people with stick bodies and round heads. They were also often bright or powder pink in colour. I propagated the shit out of that too.
Then, when I found out that wasnāt the correct way to draw people or the natural colour of human skin, I stopped drawing them and colouring quite so incorrectly.
Why canāt the people who draw Jesus manage this?
The comparison with your own childish vs adult drawings is simply off the mark. A more similar comparison could be provided by how artists depict the Vikings. It is well known today that the helmet with bull horns is made-up, and was probably never used by actual Vikings. Yet tons of people still portray them with such helmets, and most non-artists still have that same association in their minds. Why? Because a child growing up and developing their observational and artistic skills is not the same as a culture with its century-old symbols and images.
Admittedly the depictions of Jesus in art today are frequently done by more or less amateurish artists and are meant to be traditional in their style, which additionally makes them less likely to move away from the inherited imagery.
Your viking analogy is bizzare. Not that many people know that vikings didnāt actually wear anything like that in battle, unlike how everyone knows Jesus was a homeless middle Eastern man and, depsite this, continue to draw him as northern European. More so, vikings are known for wearing those helmets. Jesus isnāt known for being a white man. Why? Because Jesus wasnāt white man and isnāt know for it.
Youre really starting from where you want to end up and working your way back. Theres no cogent justification for it, as much I enjoy people trying to sell me an appeal to tradition.
Mossy Feathers (She/Her)This is why deities, demons, spirits, angelic beings and so forth should be animalistic, aka furry.
Itās called speciesism and itās how people justify eating cows.
I justify eating cows because theyāre delicious.
StarshotJohnJesus: Itās because Iām not your god. Iām god of the people that colonized your country, took some of your people as slaves and made you all believe in me instead of your original black gods.
jesus of any color is stupid. this shouldnāt be about anything more than destroying religion for the sake of humanity.