Eugen RochkoMastodon is financed by crowdfunding instead of venture capital not because we don't know that venture capital exists, not because we don't have bills to pay, and not because venture capital isn't willing to give money to new social media platforms. VCs don't want a sustainable business, they want a big exit. Every VC-backed business is on a timer to deliver or die.
Wysteria@Gargron The Matrix ecosystem is still doing pretty well for itself despite Element being a VC-funded organization. I think you'd be surprised.
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@wysteriary @Gargron "Doing well" isn't how I would describe Matrix and its ecosystem.
Almost everyone I interact with via Matrix also complains about it. And I also have to deal with errors all the time.
Almost everyone I interact with via Matrix also complains about it. And I also have to deal with errors all the time.
@interru @Gargron Not that much worse than the fediverse in my experience. People complain all the time about weird incompatibilities between different fediverse software.
You're on one of those Misskey forks that lets a post have more than 4 images, which I won't see because Mastodon only supports up to 4.
Vanilla Misskey does not support note edits.
Mastodon notably does not support quote posts.
Non-Mastodon's complain about how Mastodon uses the summary field for content warnings.
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So if the Matrix ecosystem is not in a good place, then the fediverse ecosystem is not particularly healthy either.
The Matrix ecosystem enjoys an ongoing and active cadence for spec changes getting accepted. I still read the TWIM blog every other week or so to look out for accepted MSCs.
The fediverese has the FEP process, barely a dozen have actually managed to reach the Final stage.
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I don't share your assessment that the Fediverse ecosystem and the Matrix ecosystem are in a similar state.
None of these Fediverse UX defects really stand in the way of using the Fediverse for its intended purpose. They are annoying, but not dealbreakers.
Meanwhile, I encountered plenty of bugs on Matrix that make it unreliable for its intended purpose as a chat platform. Rooms that completely break and get unusable forever because of state conflicts. Messages that won't decrypt. A horrible, inefficient reference server implementation and incomplete alternatives.
I can't recommend it to people that don't have technical knowledge. I once recommended it to some former colleagues, but that was a massive failure.
I don't share your assessment that the Fediverse ecosystem and the Matrix ecosystem are in a similar state.
None of these Fediverse UX defects really stand in the way of using the Fediverse for its intended purpose. They are annoying, but not dealbreakers.
Meanwhile, I encountered plenty of bugs on Matrix that make it unreliable for its intended purpose as a chat platform. Rooms that completely break and get unusable forever because of state conflicts. Messages that won't decrypt. A horrible, inefficient reference server implementation and incomplete alternatives.
I can't recommend it to people that don't have technical knowledge. I once recommended it to some former colleagues, but that was a massive failure.
@interru The fact that single-user instances don't see replies on other people's posts is a pretty big dealbreaker for what is ostensibly a social media protocol. Even for moderately populated instances it's an ongoing issue. Your instance is missing about 1/3 of the replies on Gargron's post.
The Matrix Live show for the past 2 weeks have explicitly been about fixing crypto. Yeah undecrypted messages suck, it's being worked on at least. That's more than can be said for many fediverse problems.
@wysteriary what you are describing is in my opinion not a deal breaker.
Actually I even consider it a feature.
There is a reason why this server doesn't use any of those open relays that give you a firehose of random messages. We only relay with pony adjacent instances. That way there are almost non toxic interactions. If you want to see every reply you still can open the post on the remote instance. I found your post that way for example.
Seeing everything from anyone will lead cultural clashes. Smaller communities are a good thing. Smaller instances have their perks.
See also: https://youtu.be/fuFlMtZmvY0
Actually I even consider it a feature.
There is a reason why this server doesn't use any of those open relays that give you a firehose of random messages. We only relay with pony adjacent instances. That way there are almost non toxic interactions. If you want to see every reply you still can open the post on the remote instance. I found your post that way for example.
Seeing everything from anyone will lead cultural clashes. Smaller communities are a good thing. Smaller instances have their perks.
See also: https://youtu.be/fuFlMtZmvY0
The Internet is Worse Than Ever – Now What?
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I think the real solution is some form of on-demand backfill for the replies of specific posts,.
Cultural clashes are a concern I also have. Ironically, I think Meta's Threads is leading the way on this front, their interface fully segregates remote and local users (eg remote and local replies are sorted differently), and federation is opt-in.
If the rest of the fediverse was built this way, it would IMO be huge for strengthening smaller cultures and communities on the fediverse.