“Why don't you like BlueSky?"
Twitter taught me something. Any "For Profit" company is going to be a slave to its need for growth, its investors, and corporate greed.
BlueSky says “We don't want to be like that”. but they're also a for profit company that is going to end up a slave to their investors and their greed just like any other for profit company.
I don't feel like establishing myself there, just to have it all come apart in a few years like Twitter did. Because that's inevitable.
@Drakon @xoagray As much as I agree with the expectation of Bluesky's inevitable enshitification, I really really hope we're all wrong.😮💨
I WANT to be wrong about the trajectory of all privately-owned social media platforms.
I WANT there to be another way forward, thru the sinkhole of greed that consumed all before.
...but I just can't see one, right now, & can't bear the thought of riding another train into that pit.😞
@GoodNewsGreyShoes to me it doesn't matter if I am right or wrong about corpo social media because I really think that fedi is my internet forever home.
Not because I don't like Facebook, Twitter, or Bluesky; but because I like fedi.
@PetrichorSquirrel Totally fair; what we think about BS, X, etc. really doesn't change much at all, especially considering just how little influence we have on the trajectory of a platform that we're *not even users of*.🤷
Investing into the communities & relationships we already have, right here, is definitely a much better use of that time/energy/thought.👍❤️
Even then, I think the 'fate' of other platforms like BS should matter to us; we'll certainly be affected by it here, one way or another.
@xoagray And the whole "look we're ✨ OPEN and DECENTRALIZED! ✨" everywhere... nah, they SAY they are, but they're not, really.
Decentralization as a fig leaf to dodge responsibility for things like data collection ("oh nonono that's someone /else's/ Personal Data Server you see!").
@xoagray i have an account on BS and honestly after a few weeks using it I abandoned the platform really quickly
I can only agree with your saying, the feeling is pretty much the exact same as with pre-musk twitter. And if I'm being honest, even before musk, the platform was a mental health nightmare.
@mathias @mimosa @xoagray 💯 The conditioning that site subject me to did horrible things to my mental health. Best thing I ever did, short of leaving FL, was leaving that site.
I'm quite leery of BS for the same reasons. In the early days, it felt like a tight-knit community, but now it's just "Furry Twitter on Bluesky" and I'm finding myself losing interest. Can recognize the same patterns and behaviors.
@foxyloon @mathias @xoagray
Initially I wasn't a furry when joining twitter and when I became one I didn't really feel a sense of community at all at first.
Like, sure, there were popular artists and all but it was hard to see something like when I was active in another community I was in.
The real first time I felt connected with people like in a community was when coming to the Fediverse and it quickly became my main social platform for this reason.
BS feels like when I tried to join the community via twitter 3 years ago.
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@mimosa @mathias @xoagray Exactly! Part of it is because a lot of popular artists post with an automated setup, like postybirb, so there’s no meaningful interaction on there. Would have to join their Patreon or “official Discord server” to actually interact with them directly.
I get the impression that folks are genuinely interacting with each other in the fediverse, which definitely is the missing link that other social media sites lack. No need for chasing metrics, obsessing over view counts. Just folks sharing their thoughts and interests, and genuinely interested folks expressing their thoughts and feelings in return.
@xoagray for me, I take issue with their model of baseline laissez faire moderation and self applied "decentralized moderation," as it hinges on very little being removed and many things being optionally hidden, leaving failure modes that are exploited by bad actors in community.
You can have labels attached to your name that you'd never even know, and will affect how people treat you. People can appoint themselves as community moderation and make judgements on your actions without having to demonstrate the criteria on what that judgement is made. Despite having blocks that break an entire conversation node and induce context collapse, very little is done about people who block evade with the purpose of harassing or continuing a conflict that does not need to be continued.
I've seen, with very real examples, the failures of their moderation and governance model. For all of fedi's faults with defederation, our moderation styles react much quicker to these issues.
@xoagray also the much too short character limit, allowing only 320 characters
Mastodon has 500 and thatsstill often not enough to write down something meaningful
@crazy_pony @xoagray Agreed!🙌
Limiting post length doesn't encourage ppl to "say more with less", it just makes them *say less!*🙄
When ppl have less room to describe their thoughts they end up presenting a simplified version that may omit details & nuance (& is far easier for others to misinterpret!).
(If you'd like to help change the 500 char limit, leave a 👍 &/or comment on the GitHub thread at https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/27433, & ask others to do the same!)
@GoodNewsGreyShoes @xoagray
I have often the impression that many people dont even want to get a nuanced reply. So a service that limits comments to dump a few words is actually what they want.
My experience trying Bluesky looked this way https://rubber.social/@crazy_pony/111300503670531835
My own posts got entirely unanswered
Attached: 1 image @[email protected] I have no idea what i should do with Bluesky All the furs and kink people are aggressively pulling in their friends to use BS Also these who run events seem to have abandoned Fdeiverse, or not used other places at all But seeing the style HOW they post there, i have no idea how to catch any meaningful information, so far i have failed to get replies at all to attempts starting conversations. No idea if they ignore me or if i am kept invisible from the algorithm No idea how to fit in
@crazy_pony @xoagray Yeah that's fair, not everyone WANTS to discuss things in great detail or explore stories / ideas in new, different ways.🥲
Sad to hear people aren't answering your posts/replies - that's just rude!😤
@xoagray Hard agree. I also don't like that they hide their centralised power structure behind ATProto. Majority of data still goes through the main Blue Sky aggregation streams and servers. Which gives them the power to censor and promote posts.
What is the point of federation if everybody is on the same instance... 😞
"Don't be evil" all again.
@xoagray I don't like for profit companies either, but I think there's a big difference between generic corporate greed and what Twitter has become. It's not even going for profit anymore, just hate and influence.
I wish everyone would come to Mastodon, it's my favorite place, but I'll settle for tempting them to move to Bluesky if that's more realistic. Anything to get away from the dead bird site.
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