Mastodawn

Please be gentle. Helping make these things happen is part of my job and it's freaking hard and complex. Asking in public is scary. Don't be a dick.

feylya Oct 17, 2024

@coldclimate spin up the full environment in kubernetes, in branch tagged namespaces, with tiny resources, urls overridden by env or service discovery, and small on demand databases. Not easy, but once it's working well... Failing that, prebuilt staging envs that was be taken over.

@coldclimate my view is that it's a double edged sword. Pretty much THE only way a developer can set up a microservice playground is to use docker compose or minikube. The only meaningful comparison in my area is with #OpenText and their flagship product Content Server. It's a middleware for document storage and workflow where the db is typically Oracle/SQL Server but now PostGRESQL as well. It runs in Windows, Linux, and now in containers in a Kubernetes cluster.

@coldclimate #OpenText
I have done the set up for Kubernetes in a Google Cloud a few times. Overall what I've noticed is that the admin is now an order of magnitude harder for clients because whereas before, you could easily access logs, now you need to talk to your Kubernetes guy who knows nothing about Content Server. Perhaps though this is a lesson about legacy applications should be left as monoliths. Microservice architecture is best suited to net new applications in my view.

@coldclimate #OpenText I do have one IM-ish issue with the MS architecture, and that is this notion of each service having its own local copy of the data. To me, this violates the principle of single source of truth. If you have a microservice app with multiple services, supposedly a massive advantage is that the site can at least partially function even if one of the services is down. That's a double edged sword.....

@coldclimate #OpenText ... If one part is not functioning, is there any value in keeping the rest of the site up? I've seen web sites where the site responds but some functionality is broken. Do you want your site being used if a critical part is not working, or is it better to disable all access until everything is fixed?

@hfinyow I have thoughts here but I'm just back from swimming and shattered. Reply I the morning.

@hfinyow were blessed to be reasonably new but grow crazy fast, so we're playing catch up in some areas.

Sean Hood Oct 17, 2024

@coldclimate I know Monzo like to chat about how they run like 1500 micro services. https://monzo.com/blog/2022/06/24/redefining-our-microservice-development-process this kinda cover some I think?

Redefining our microservice development process

Monzo

@seanhood ohhh, that's good. I thought they had written about it but couldn't find it

Nick Charlton Oct 17, 2024

@coldclimate I think the only thing I’ve seen is Docker Compose bringing up everything (or most things), or a shared dev environment where you’re hitting “live” services.

I’ve worked with a load of clients with both setups and I dunno, seems bad, mostly.