‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

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‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza - Lemmy

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125 [https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125] > Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan > Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

Single issue voters, or is this even a single issue because Trump and Harris don’t really have much different on this particular topic? People really have me scratching my head sometimes.

The single issue: genocide

Why are you sheepdogging for genociders? You have always had the option of saying nothing and educating yourself instead.

Just because you’re oversimplifying a complex issue doesn’t make you correct or your choice any better than the alternative.

Unless you’d like to explain how it does…

It is not a complex issue. There is a genocide and there are increasing calls to support those genociders electorally. Instead of supporting genociders, you should oppose them.

Liberals call “issues” complex in order to speak euphemistically about the horrible things they support. They do not actually have an understanding of the alleged complexity, it is just a lazy thought-terminating cliché. When you do understand something, you can discuss it directly. At the moment, you are apparently more afraid of using the word genocide than actually being complicut in it yourself. Is this the “complexity” you are referring to? Your personal discomfort? I suspect so.

Unless you’d like to explain how it does…

Being consistently against genocide is the first step towards actually fighting against it. I have set the bar very low. Can you clear it?

A 1000 year Middle East conflict “isn’t a complex issue”?

Either you’re obviously too ignorant to hold intelligent opinions on this matter, or you’re clearly arguing in bad faith by stating obvious falsehoods.

Why should anyone take you seriously?

A 1000 year Middle East conflict “isn’t a complex issue”?

Israel as a settler colonial entity is around 100 years old. Before that, Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in the same area with very little sectarian violence for around 800 years.

Thank you for admitting that. I’m correct, however, the rest is completely irrelevant. We’re not talking about those 800 years.
You’d say “its nuanced” about colonizers killing indigenous tribes and the indigenous tribes fighting back.

Making up little fantasies about people you lose arguments to also does not make you correct. At best, it makes you delusional, and, at worst, it makes you a liar.

Do you often lying about random strangers in order to make yourself feel better?

You’re straight up doing it though, like, your nuanced bullshit around Israeli settlers and indigenous Palestinians.

Consider that you have to keep declaring victory because you’re aware on some level that you’re wrong on this.

You’re straight up doing it though, like, your nuanced bullshit around Israeli settlers and indigenous Palestinians

Funny, I never said that nor did I “declare victory”. Do you often find blatantly lying to be an effective debate tactic?

That is what your little middle school demonstration of informal logical fallacies are though, you’re substituting arguments for “um actually fallacy” like it is some checkmate that dismisses everything people are saying.

Notice how you went for an “um actually I didn’t technically say those words” instead of responding to this:

You’re straight up doing it though, like, your nuanced bullshit around Israeli settlers and indigenous Palestinians.

Genocide isn’t morally complicated, and the fact that you’re debate broing about it defensively when people say shit that is just objectively correct, like, “Israel is a settler colonial state commiting genocide” is a real indication that maybe you should step back for five minutes and check in with yourself.