girlfreddyOct 13, 2024

UN says Israeli tanks burst through gates of peacekeeper base

https://lemmy.ca/post/30881107

UN says Israeli tanks burst through gates of peacekeeper base - Lemmy.ca

The United Nations said on Sunday Israeli tanks had burst through the gates of a base of its peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, the latest accusation of Israeli violations and attacks that have been denounced by Israel’s own allies. Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the United Nations to evacuate the troops of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force from combat areas in Lebanon. Hours later, the force reported what it described as additional Israeli violations, including two Israeli Merkava tanks destroying the main gate of a base and forcibly entering before dawn that morning. Soon after the tanks left, shells exploded 100 metres away, releasing smoke which blew across the base and sickened U.N. personnel, causing 15 to require treatment despite wearing gas masks, it said. It did not say who fired the shells or what sort of toxic substance it suspected. It also accused Israel’s IDF military of halting a logistics convoy. The Israeli military did not immediately respond to the statement.

Show threadFlying Squid

Has anyone informed Scorpius?!

Seriously though, Israel has proven over and over again that it has no respect for the UN whatsoever. Maybe it’s time to kick them out, at least until they have a fucking non-genocidal government.

Oct 13, 2024 at 4:35pmWeb
Show threadAvid AmoebaOct 13, 2024
Seems like UN is Hamas.
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024
You can’t possibly believe that.
Show threadgirlfreddyOct 13, 2024
Oh, but they do Squid. Their comment/post history tells the story.
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024
Well that’s depressing.
Show threadfloofloofOct 13, 2024
It’s also untrue. Check their history for yourself. They’re critical of Israel and sympathetic to the people Israel is bombing.
Show threadAvid AmoebaOct 13, 2024
You’re either perpetuating the deep sarcasm or you ain’t reading right. 😅 If the former - applause.
Show threadfloofloofOct 13, 2024
That’s not true. You should look again at their comment history. Their comment above was making fun of Israel’s tendency to retroactively label whoever they kill as Hamas.
Show threadNoneOfUrBusinessOct 13, 2024
I mean yeah isn't it sarcasm?
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
Poe's law - Wikipedia

Show threadSnowflakeOct 13, 2024
Unrwa has admitted themself they let Hamas operate in their buildings. They also employed 100+ Hamas terrorists. Hamas has infilitrated and operated in many UN facilities, they have it figured out quite well how to infiltrate those facilities.
Show threadfloofloofOct 13, 2024
Can you link to your evidence for these two points? I may be out of date but the last time I looked there were much lower numbers being accused by Israel, and none of the accusations confirmed independently.
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024
I would like to see corroborating evidence or I will delete this as misinformation.
Show threadSnowflakeOct 13, 2024
It is linked in this thread.
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024

Your first link is something that Israel claims about their enemy. Why should I trust that from any nation currently engaged in an offensive war?

The second link is from some anti-UN website and can be dismissed outright.

The third mentions one single person. You claimed over 100.

Show threadSnowflakeOct 13, 2024

Israel has sent the list to governments that donate to unrwa. They don’t release the list to the public for reasons. No government has debunked said list.

The 2nd link in nearly every instance it has a source directly to the IDF Twitter confirming said instance. For every instance there is a source.

The third is just to confirm the validity of the list since they don’t release it publicly.

Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024
Sorry, “trust me, bro” is not a valid source. I would not advise you to continue posting misinformation.
Show threadSnowflakeOct 13, 2024

Lol. What are you talking about? “Trust me, bro” huh???

Anyways, They have fired 9 people directly involved in the October 7th attack.

UN fires 9 staffers after Oct. 7 probe

The U.N. says it has fired additional staff members from its agency for Palestinian refugees after an internal investigation found they may have been involved in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attack against Israel. Some of those the U.N. announced it had terminated Monday include staffers who were previously fired and staffers who were put on administrative leave over the claims. But the U.N. did not clarify how many have been fired in total. The U.N. secretary-general’s office announced the move in a brief statement to journalists. Farhan Haq, deputy spokesperson for the secretary-general, did no elaborate on the UNRWA staffers’ likely role in the attack or on the evidence that prompted its decision.

AP News
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024

Nine people is not 100+. This is your last chance to stop spreading this misinformation.

Edit: Never mind, you put a post that was deleted back in the thread. You’re gone.

Show threadAvid AmoebaOct 13, 2024
Didn’t basically everyone resume UNRWA funding after looking at the evidence? You’d think they wouldn’t have done that if the allegations were credible enough.
Show threadAvid AmoebaOct 13, 2024
I thought “X is Hamas” is a fairly well established meme on Lemmy by this point.
Show threadFlying SquidOct 13, 2024

Like I said elsewhere: Poe’s Law. There are people who actually believe that sort of nonsense unfortunately.

Edit: In fact, someone just replied to me agreeing with you, except they’re serious.

Show threadDarthJonOct 14, 2024
What have those “peacekeepers” been doing for the past 20 years, aside from watching while Hezbollah turns southern Lebanon into a terrorist base? Do they snack on popcorn while watching Hezbollah’s rockets fly into Israel?
Show threadFlying SquidOct 14, 2024
Maybe you could look into it. Do you think there might be some sort of big global network of computers full of information you could use to find out?
Show threadDarthJonOct 14, 2024
You should use that network to look up “rhetorical question”
Show threadFlying SquidOct 14, 2024

Your rhetorical question better be backed up with evidence if you don’t want it getting deleted.

Edit: 9 hours later… no evidence.

Show threadDarthJonOct 14, 2024

The evidence is the fact that the UN has been stationed in southern Lebanon since 2006 and in that time Hezbollah has established bases all across the region, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 1701, and now the IDF is coming across those bases and weapons caches within spitting distance of UN watchtowers. And even after Hezbollah declared war on Israel by launching rockets into Israel starting on Oct 8, 2023, those same UN peacekeepers have done nothing to stop them and have tried to prevent Israel from retaliating.

So although it was a rhetorical question, it really wasn’t.

Show threadFlying SquidOct 14, 2024

Sorry, you just declaring things to be the case is not evidence. No one has any reason to just take your word for it.

You get one more chance to provide actual evidence before you’re out of here for spreading misinformation.

Show threadDarthJonOct 14, 2024
This is hilarious. I have to provide evidence for what literally everyone knows is happening in the world right now? Okay, here we go. reuters.com/…/israel-strikes-lebanon-after-hezbol… abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=111593691 washingtonpost.com/…/isarel-military-lebanon-sout… timesofisrael.com/un-peacekeepers-confirm-existen… (This is a good one. UNIFIL found a tunnel from Lebanon into Israel back in 2018 and said, “We’ll speak to the Lebanese authorities about it.” Well done.)
Israel, Hezbollah exchange artillery, rocket fire

Israel and Lebanon's powerful armed group Hezbollah exchanged artillery and rocket fire on Sunday following the deadliest attack in years by Palestinian gunmen on Israel.

Reuters
Show threadFlying SquidOct 14, 2024

Sorry, none of that backs up your misinformation post that the UN peacekeepers have done nothing in Lebanon for the past 20 years but “snack on popcorn” while Hezbollah fires missiles.

None of that suggests that UNIFIL does nothing. In fact, if UNIFIL found that tunnel, they were doing something.

So you just admitted yourself that your initial comment was misinformation. You’re gone.

Show threadjordanlundOct 16, 2024

I talked with Squid about this and we’re restoring your comments. It looks to me like you both managed to talk right past each other.

You’re right, the UN hasn’t really done a thing to enforce resolution 1701. But then, when have UN troops EVER managed to enforce ANY resolution?

I’m old enough to remember George W. Bush arguing in favor of invading Iraq going “They’re violating 17 UN resolutions!” and the reaction from sane people was “Yeah? And Israel is violating 80? 90? We going to invade Israel too?”

Where Squid went off was the whole “UN doing nothing” thing. It’s pretty clear to me you MEANT nothing about 1701, but they are doing a lot of good humanitatarian work on the ground, you know, when Israel isn’t SHOOTING AT THEM.

peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/unifil

“Following the July/August 2006 crisis, the Council enhanced the Force and decided that in addition to the original mandate, it would, among other things, monitor the cessation of hostilities; accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the south of Lebanon; and extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.”

If you need to blame somebody for failing to disarm Hezbollah, and it’s obvious to anyone they have NOT disarmed, look toward the Lebanese army.

More on the UN mandate in regards to 1701 here:

unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-mandate

“Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area.

Assist the Government of Lebanon, at its request, in securing its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel.”

The UN is not there to enforce the disarmament of Hezbollah. That’s the job of the Lebanese, it’s their country. The UN is purely there to assist.

UNIFIL

Originally, UNIFIL was created by the Security Council in March 1978 to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, restore international peace and security and assist the Lebanese Government in restoring its effective authority in the area. The mandate had to be adjusted twice, due to the developments in 1982 and 2000.

United Nations Peacekeeping
Show threadDarthJonOct 16, 2024

Thank you. I didn’t really understand what I did to warrant a ban.

I’m old enough to remember George W. Bush arguing in favor of invading Iraq going “They’re violating 17 UN resolutions!” and the reaction from sane people was “Yeah? And Israel is violating 80? 90? We going to invade Israel too?”> Okay, but also not analogous. Bush used this as justification for invading another country that didn’t pose a threat to the US.

Where Squid went off was the whole “UN doing nothing” thing. It’s pretty clear to me you MEANT nothing about 1701, but they are doing a lot of good humanitatarian work on the ground, you know, when Israel isn’t SHOOTING AT THEM.> I’m sure they are. They’re just not doing what they’re supposed to be doing with respect to 1701, and their failure to do so poses an existential threat to Israel. I’m sure you’re aware that in recent days the IDF has uncovered both Hezbollah plans to carry out a 10/7-style attack but on a larger scale, and multiple instances of Hezbollah operating from positions within very close proximity to UNIFIL positions. Kinds looks like UNIFIL has basically been providing cover for Hezbollah.

And you know full well that the Lebanese are controlled by Hezbollah. Unless they want to plunge the country into another devastating civil war, they’re not going to challenge Hezbollah.

Show threadjordanlundOct 16, 2024

Well, if you want to argue “Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah” then you have to fault the UN for specifically putting the Lebanese government in charge of the operation to disarm Hezbollah.

If you read 1701, there are only 2 groups authorized to be armed between the river and the border, the UN and the Lebanese army and the UN is only present to assist the Lebanese army, they aren’t there to take action on their own, that is not in their mandate.

So knowing all that, yeah, no surprise nothing has happened in 20 years. ;)