Okay, sure, I’ll play devil’s advocate. The engineering that goes into a single iPhone is unfathomable. It would take an entire lifetime of study to even try to produce something close.
But Apple pays about a jillion engineers about a jillion dollars each, and so they’re able to create new iPhones every year or so. That was 100% powered by capitalism.
Yeah, workers physically put the pieces together. Do you think any of them could design an iPhone without any help or reference?
They weren’t workers? is this “absurdly educated engineering” like a magic ghost inhabiting the halls of Apple HQ? Is this “engineering” in the room with us right now?
Seriously, I fail to grasp the point you’re trying to make here…
…you do know what engineering is, right? It’s… Definitely not a magic ghost inhabiting halls. It’s learning physics, electronics, programming, and, well, engineering to create novel solutions to problems people have.
My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason, I can’t find a reason for that.
You do know that engineering doesn’t exist independently, right? It comes from humans. And you know what those humans typically are? Workers.
My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.
[Citation needed].
Workers produce better things. Have been doing it before capitalism and will be doing it after. There’s no need for a leecher class above them.
I’m starting to think you’re not just playing devil’s advocate…
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What does education have to do with anything? How does that even follow towards someone “sending them to the fields”? This is the mother of non-sequiturs…
what does education have to do with inventing anything?
No, and I never said that I did. Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism? Yes, of course. It’s provably happened on both of our lifetimes.
Does that make capitalism the best solution? No. But obviously you’re gonna need to provide more data against it. This is a weak argument.
Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism?
People were motivated to be educated and create things long before capitalism and will be long after capitalism.
how should we pay for those people to be educated?
We don’t have to “pay” to be educated outside of the capitalist system. “Paying” for education is a capitalist thing. In fact, most places outside of the US don’t expect people to pay to be educated. Even within capitalism, various people have found ways to make education and healthcare a public service. Imagine that…
Who should we choose to create things?
People who want to choose it themselves?
What should we do with everybody else?
“We” don’t “do” anything with other people.
Well, no. Paying professors isn’t free. Some places just hide their salaries in their tax money. But sure. Everyone gets education (I agree with this). Some people choose to be artists and… I guess they just fend for themselves?
Now, let’s be absurd. Pretend I’M a artist. I made a blank canvas, and I’m willing to sell it.
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