Should Election Day Become A Federal Holiday? Weighing The Benefits And Drawbacks

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Is it time to make Election Day a federal holiday? 🗳️ Some say it would boost voter turnout and align the U.S. with other democracies, while others argue it could create challenges for hourly workers and cost millions. Dive into the debate over whether a federal voting holiday is the best way to strengthen democracy or if there are better solutions. Check out the full breakdown! https://ace-usa.org/blog/research/research-votingrights/should-election-day-become-a-federal-holiday-weighing-the-benefits-and-drawbacks/ [https://ace-usa.org/blog/research/research-votingrights/should-election-day-become-a-federal-holiday-weighing-the-benefits-and-drawbacks/]

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Yes, and I also want a hotdog after (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_sausage).
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Now that’s a fantastic idea. How about options? Democracy grilled cheese? Democracy pizza? All food trucks get a fixed tax break to serve a single free food item pp at polling places on voting days! Basically paid advertising.

There were some good stats in there, but this wasn’t anything groundbreaking. I’m totally in favor of making Election Day a federal holiday, it’s arguably the most important day for the continuance of our democracy after all. BUT any action must take into account the fact that so many Americans don’t get federal holidays off, and employers can’t be forced to give them that time off. So there would have to be a fund or subsidy available to employers to continue paying their workers on this new day off. It should also be a kind of superholiday so even private employers are forced to observe it.

This, and getting rid of the electoral college should be a priority once we’ve soundly defeated the orange turd and can take a couple breaths.

Mail in voting across the board could be better than a federal holiday. In Washington, I get everything I need to vote in the mail: a ballot, a voter’s guide, a postage paid envelope. I literally don’t have to wear pants to vote. I can take a week to make a decision about something before I wander over to the nearest mailbox to drop off my ballot.

Never having done it, voting in person sounds awful.

Yeah, this is actually a better solution. There’s no legitimate non-partisan reason I can think of for why anyone would be against universal mail in voting.

Same in California, and I definitely need that extra time to review the ballot and figure out how I’m voting on ballot measures and for which local officials. The ballot is huge and relatively complicated, so I can’t imagine doing that in person either.

Agreed to your last statement. I have only ever voted by mail in ballot and anything else seems inhumane.
TBF, the only thing stopping you from not wearing pants to the polls is the weather.

IMHO, yes, but you have to bring proof of having voted the next work day for it to count. And the State should respond to mail-in ballots with “I Voted” stickers - mail in ballots have deadlines, so maybe It’d be enough time for a round trip. Or if you drop off the ballot at a post office, postal workers can hand you a sticker. More money for the USPS; it’s a win-win. Change the I voted sticker each year; counterfeiting would be more work than it’s worth.

There’d be forgeries, lax enforcement, whatever; the point isn’t to have a hard enforcement, like money, but just to encourage people to vote.

We’ll never be a country that mandates voting, like some do, but anything that encourages people to vote is a good thing.

P.S. if we can’t convert to a 4-day work week country, I think we should slowly create more federal holidays that fall on specific week days, until we have 52 of them.

Oh I love this but let’s make the incentives better.

  • Every company gets a tax deduction for each employee that votes
  • Each locality, county, state gets a tax bonus from the federal government for every election it has and for each person who votes
  • each person who votes is eligible to receive a tax stimulus the following year

All of this can be done today. Voter participation information is actually available at the local level. It’s why I always get fliers for Republicans since I vote in their primaries. (My vote is more effective there than in the Democratic primary)

If this is your platform, I’ll vote for you. Throw in a little RCV, and I’ll canvas, too.

I want to get rid of FPTP voting but a recent veritasium video has me wondering if we should try something better than RCV.

Not saying I would vote no on RCV, but if we’re going to change the voting method, let’s do it in a way ensures that the people are best represented.

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There are many better systems than RCV, but if has two things going for it:

  • Already some momentum. It’s already implemented widely (if not commonly) in the US and other countries.
  • It’s easy for people to understand, which is critical for trust, and possible to hand count if necessary.
  • With all due respect to Veritasium, perfect here is definitely the enemy of good. RCV is maybe the least good of many better-than-FPTP options, and has flaws; however, any argument for doing better than RCV based on “it has flaws” will always end up with arguing that we should use the Condorcet method, which would be impossible to approve and possibly impossible to implement.

    The next best thing to RCV is far less of an improvement over RCV than RCV is over FPTP. I’d rather have STAR, but all of these options are broadly unknown, difficult to explain, and more complex to execute by hand than RCV. I’d rather have something, than stay stuck on FPTP.

    I don’t disagree one bit.

    I just want people to realize that anything is better than FPTP but we shouldn’t stop at RCV. We should relentlessly pursue democracy, ensuring that The People are represented in the most accurate way possible.

    So yes, vote for RCV. But don’t let it be the destination.

    Although the federal government cannot require private companies to observe holidays

    JFC what a dystopian hellhole. It kills me they are so proud of their shitty living conditions.

    Wait really, why coulsnt they force them to?!? In Canada companies that are open pay huge fines. Companies that are deemed essential do not recieve fines but have to pay 2.5 Mult to employees and if the employee does not work they get a days pay.

    Money is God in America.

    Okay, everybody is off.

    …well, I guess we need essential services like police, fire, medical, etc.

    …and if they’re going to work, they’re gonna need food, so restaurants should be open too.

    …and if they all gotta get to work, we gotta have gas stations open as well.

    …and with all these other people off, people are gonna vote then want the rest of the day to do things, so we should probably have stores and entertainment venues open also.

    And now all the “minimum wage” people are stuck working on a holiday, while the people who can afford to be off actually get off.

    Rinse and repeat for every current holiday.

    To be honest i can’t tell if this is satire, spoof or against day off? I mean emergency social services are essential. Food and the rest are not, you do your shopping the day before and bring a lunch, self serve pumps are everywhere anywyas and entertainment services are not essential.
    It’s not satire, it’s 100% the reasoning that would be used in this argument. That’s the train of thought that we took towards covid.
    In a long period like covid I can see part of the argument, but in a 1 day period food services are not essential. At all. Humans can survive without food for a day if they were dumb enough not to prepare.
    Sure, I agree. But the CEOs of McDonalds and Wendy’s don’t want to miss a single day of profits and their wealth gives them a lot more political power than I have.
    Tell that to all the companies that were starting black Friday on Thursday night.

    I used to work in a cinema.

    Christmas day was our single busiest day of the year, every year. Even with traditional Christmas activities like having family dinners and gift-giving, people still wanted to go see a movie. They couldn’t stay home with their families for just one day so we minimum wage saps didn’t get to stay home with ours.

    Nothing I wrote was satire. This is exactly how it is in the US.

    • If you have a white-collar job, enjoy your day off.

    • If you have a blue-collar job, you might not have to work, depending on what holiday it is.

    • If you have a service job, fuck your holiday because money.

    Going to the movies for Christmas is an American Jewish tradition, usually followed up by Chinese food

    I’m going to old all over the place. When I was a teen in the late 90s I worked at a grocery store. We were open 24/7 except three times per year. We closed at noon on Thanksgiving (reopened at 5am the next day), noon on Christmas Eve through Christmas Day, and noon on New Years Eve. We always had assholes come in to try to “get one thing that I forgot” but turned them away because they’d inevitably try to load up a full cart. We were given strict instructions to turn everyone away starring at noon sharp.

    Now, grocery stores just stay open. Like, really, you can’t close even a couple of times per year to let people be with their families?

    I can’t wait for the Election Day car sales!
    Oh, we are not proud of it. We’re trying to chip away at the absolutely fucked power structure, but the people in charge of the system have a vested interest in preserving it, with all of its fucked up little idiosyncrasies like this.

    No. All that needs to be done is make universal vote by mail the standard.

    My state has been doing it for 24 years now, this will be the 7th Presidential election (2000, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24) and 13th Congressional election. It works, it increases voter participation, there’s a built in paper trail, there’s nothing to not like about it.

    Remember how 2014 had a record low turnout for a mid-term election?

    washingtonpost.com/…/voter-turnout-in-2014-was-th…

    “the lowest it’s been in any election cycle since World War II, according to early projections by the United States Election Project.

    Just 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots as of last Tuesday, continuing a steady decline in midterm voter participation that has spanned several decades. The results are dismal, but not surprising – participation has been dropping since the 1964 election, when voter turnout was at nearly 49 percent.”

    Meanwhile, in my state:

    oregonlive.com/…/voter_turnout_of_695_percent_i.h…

    “Turnout in this fall’s election reached 69.5 percent, just half a percent short of turnout in 2010 and 2006 and 1.5 percent better than in 2002, Secretary of State Kate Brown said Wednesday.

    More than 1.5 million Oregonians cast ballots, a record high for a non-presidential election, while nearly 700,000 registered voters sat out.”

    Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII

    The last time participation was this low was in 1942.

    The Washington Post

    I got home last night from work, voted, and ate dinner. Got up to go to work and tossed the ballot in my mailbox. It was amazing. Being able to get an absentee ballot in NY has been absolutely wonderful.

    I am a bit worried about my signature though lol I can’t remember if I signed with my stupid fresh out of highschool “script” signature on previous ballots that I used on my social security card, or my general signature I’ve been using for everything for decades now…

    I mean, if it gets rejected, they will let you know. Good news is you can always re-register and update your signature.

    Here, we have the motor voter registration, so it’s the same signature as my drivers license.

    There is one argument against everyone voting by mail that I accept:
    People could be making “let’s go vote together”-meetups to make sure their friends are voting what they “should” - which would destroy freedom and privacy of the vote which are fundamental.
    The same can also happen in abusive relationships where one partner can take away the freedom to vote what they want from the other by standing behind them when they fill out their ballot.

    Voting by mail is safe, but because of those two it should NEVER be the de-facto standard. It’s great to have more people voting - but whoever can should still vote personally if possible.

    I know the setup of the voting booths is way worse in the US than here in Germany so both the way to them and the lines in front of them are longer, so that decision might flip towards voting by mail quicker, but imho voting in person should remain the standard - just because noone can look over your shoulder when you’re making your cross in that setting

    Generally, it’s less “lets go vote together!” than it is “lets drop off our ballots together!”

    Coercive voting is a crime, in 24 years we haven’t seen an incidence of it yet, but that was one of the FUD arguments when we voted for it.

    “What’s to stop an employer from requiring employees to bring in their ballots and vote the company line?”

    Well, it’s a crime. If you don’t trust your employees to vote, do you trust that not one will rat you out?

    From my point of view both the police and the judges are getting heavily influenced by people with a less democratic agenda in mind.

    Something like that would’ve never worked years ago - but with 4 more years of Trump handpicking judges? I wouldn’t even be sure the Supreme Court would strike something lime that down if it’s done subtle enough.

    The military has allowed it since the civil war.

    smithsonianmag.com/…/debate-over-mail-voting-date…

    The Debate Over Mail-In Voting Dates Back to the Civil War

    In 1864, Democrats and Republicans clashed over legislation allowing soldiers to cast their ballots from the front

    Smithsonian Magazine
    Same way for Colorado. It’s all the benefit of electronic voting, but with the added safety of paper ballots. And it’s a format we’re all familiar with from school – bubble in our answer (just with a pen instead of a number 2 pencil), and then turn it in. The counters feed the ballots into the counting machine, which tallies up the votes, then the ballots are stored in nice boxes, which can be retrieved and hand-counted on the off-chance the machines get hacked or otherwise…tampered with (Tina Peters, I’m looking at YOU…as you go to jail for 9 years! :3).

    Unless they’re going to do something like require octuple pay for anyone working on an election day, which in turn would fuck up the financial math of any business thinking about opening that day, making it a holiday won’t fix anything.

    Mandate vote by mail federally. While your at it, copy Mexicos voter ID system and give everyone free voter ID’s.

    Yes. Yes it should.
    Or, you know, at least make it happen on a weekend, like normal countries do. The whole thing is such a weird quirk among so many other weird quirks that serve no purpose.
    That doesn’t solve for people who work irregular shifts and don’t get weekends off, but may not have access to early or mail-in voting (which is where Republicans will take their insane restrictions if a holiday is made).
    For sure, but it covers most people and it's such a simple solution that it's the standard starting point. You can go further than that, but this is the least you can do.

    I think a combo covers everything if the Dems get a voting bill through:

    • Federal holiday
    • Early voting
    • Mail-in if requested
    • Absentee barriers lowered

    That would cover pretty much anything (I think?).

    Aren’t those exact people usually also working on a federal holiday?
    There is zero reason not to have more holidays.
    Just make it a Saturday and make it quick and easy to vote?
    Then people can go to work before or after voting if they need.
    Doesn’t matter either way as the only people guaranteed off on federal holidays are government employees.
    I forget what country it is, but one has a rule that you can only vote in your place of birth on a holiday. So, people come together for reunion and they all go out and vote. Swell idea, IMO.

    Uh…not a great idea.

    Suppose my parents made the decision to move to Alaska instead of Colorado for my birth, then moved to Colorado where I grew up. I’d be asked to vote in Alaska’s elections, despite having no ties there, no stake in the outcome, and no reason to care about the issues. And if I’m to vote a Colorado ballot, why not let me vote that ballot from Colorado? If I want to go to a family reunion, I’ll go to a family reunion. I don’t need to be forced to go to one by being forced to vote in a state I no longer live in.

    Yes it should be a holiday! Why are we even talking about this?

    This is a popular wish from MAGA types who have been told that mail and early voting is fraudulent, which isn’t supported by evidence.

    If you can vote early or by mail, there is no need for a holiday on the one voting day.

    At the same time, we can’t expect every grocery store worker, police officer, air traffic controller, and truck driver, and everyone else, to be off simultaneously on the same day.

    At the same time, we can’t expect every grocery store worker, police officer, air traffic controller, and truck driver, and everyone else, to be off simultaneously on the same day.

    Here in BC, in Canada, you’re just guaranteed four hours off to vote. I think that with easier mail-in-voting (also easy to do here) would help you guys a lot.

    I’m pretty far from a maga, and I fully support a federal holiday for it. It accentuates the importance of voting for democracy to thrive, IMO.

    But I also think mail-in and early voting options should be a federal requirement as well. Right now states can impose limits on who is eligible for mail in, and that’s a huge problem.

    To me its not one or the other, I think both should be done.

    You can instead have elections on the weekend, which gives more opportunity to vote without requiring a public holiday. Nobody would choose Tuesday if they were designing the system today.

    And yes, early and mail voting should be universally implemented as well.

    Here in Canada All employees who are Canadian citizens and 18 years of age or older are entitled to have three consecutive hours off on Election Day to vote. Voting hours in the Eastern time zone are from 9:30 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. If an employee’s hours of work do not allow for three consecutive hours off within this period, the employer must give them sufficient time off to meet the requirement of three consecutive hours.

    All of those drawbacks are bullshit.

    Early voting and mail in ballots should be more available to everyone. That’s not a reason not to make it a holiday.

    Private employers can’t be forced to observe a holiday. That’s not a reason not to make it a holiday. People required to work could still go before or after work, and would see reduced wait times because public employees would be able to go during work hours.

    Finding childcare for the day is a problem anyway, as polling places are often schools, and the kids are sent home anyway. If it was a holiday, you could take your kids with you to the polls and then go to the park. That’s almost a reason not to make it a holiday, but not really.

    If banks, post offices, and schools are all closed, a lot of businesses will also close because work slows down. Other employers, like retailers, food service, and entertainment venues like movie theaters would all see an uptick in business, and would probably offer extra pay for those shifts.

    Yes to mail in ballots. Yes to early voting. Yes to a national election holiday. Reduce the barriers to voting. No to ID laws. No to voter roll purges. No to proof of citizenship requirements.

    Over here all employers have to give employees 4h to vote. So if it’s open from 8 to 8 and you work from 8 to 4 they don’t have to give you time off, but if you work 8 to 6 they have to cut your shift at 4 instead.
    That’s a good system. Let’s do that.
    ID and citizenship requirements seem like pretty basic requisites to voting, what’s wrong with those?

    Inconsistent access and inconsistent standards, for the most part.

    A classic example is how certain states (Texas, for instance) will assert that gun licenses qualify as a valid ID but state university student IDs will not. Another is in how IDs - like driver’s licenses - have a fee associated with registration and renewal, which amounts to a poll tax. A third is that citizenship isn’t necessarily a prerequisite for voting in municipal and state elections. So requiring someone to be a citizen before accessing a ballot becomes an unconstitutional burden at the state and local level.

    Then there’s the fact that we already have a voter id system. It’s called your voter registration card. You typically get one after you’ve registered to vote in your municipality. The fight over voter ID is that you need a second piece of identification on top of the registration card.

    Broadly speaking, if everyone was afforded equal access to a single uniform ID document at no cost, there wouldn’t be a problem. But so much of the Voter ID rules don’t establish homogeneous ID requirements. Implementation is left up to the states. So states with a history of hostility towards democratic rule can back-door disenfranchisement into the process of obtaining these documents.