Some of us are aware that -40° Celsius is also -40° Fahrenheit. It's the only point where the two scales agree.

But did you know there are palindrome temperatures and they're very useful also!

16° Celsius = 61° Fahrenheit
28° Celsius = 82° Fahrenheit

@atoponce I try to use Kelvin every time I talk with someone over in your part of the world so there is no mistake between °C and °F
@morticah @atoponce well, °K and °C are quite the same except for the + 273,15° shift. Fahrenheit is still a mistery to me !
@alci @atoponce that makes it even easier for me. But there is no ° with Kelvin ;)

@alci: And except that Kelvin is not prefixed by "degree". (SCNR)

Cc @morticah @atoponce

@alci @morticah @atoponce I've heard it said

Celsius is how water feels
Fahrenheit is how people feel
Kelvin is how molecules feel

@cjust

Fahrenheit is how Americans feel. If you don't use it then -10 to 30°C does a fine job of how people feel. Not that I'm saying Americans aren't people. 😀

@alci @morticah @atoponce

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@atoponce this is a lot more contrived but 100 has 3 digits and 100 in binary is 8; 100°F is 38°C.

Edit: Thanks to @mral for pointing out the mistake. Three zeros is 8 (1000₂) and not three digits. I actually think of 2³ =8 but figured I would explain it with binary and messed it up.

100 is 3 digits; 2³ is 8; so 100°F is 38°C, it's a longer walk but on the correct path 😂

@shom @atoponce
ah, I think that is 4; 100 base 2 is 4 base 10; but check me
@mral @atoponce you're right, I actually think of 3 zeros (1000) not three digits. So my pneumonic is a mistake and not a sensible way for anyone else to remember.
@shom @atoponce
I'm going to try and remember the 61 and 82 trick sine that is a good, sorta, range for room temp
@shom @mral @atoponce ironically, this rollercoaster has probably made 38°C=100°F more memorable than ever before!
@gavgraham it's the friends you make along the way on the rollercoaster!
(And how owning up and correcting your mistake publicly is helpful in so many ways)
@mral @atoponce

@atoponce

There might be some more obscure scale where this is also true, but I _think_ temperature is the only thing where metric and imperial units can be converted with a simple (single-digit) ratio. That's because in 1777, the Royal Society redefined Fahrenheit to be exactly 180 degrees between freezing and boiling water — which, of course, is a 100 degree span in Celsius or Kelvin.

@mattdm @atoponce 127/5 (2^7-1)/5 is rather simple too.
@mattdm @atoponce yeah, but miles:kilometers is more fun, because the ratio is close enough to just use the Fibonacci sequence as a scale (after the low single-digit values, anyway). Three miles? 5 km. Five miles? 8km. 8 miles? 13km. 13 miles? 21km.
@atoponce I wonder what useful bit of information my brain is pushing out in order to remember this.

@atoponce If we're looking to be exact, that's incorrect. In fact, 16C equals 60.8F, and 28C equals 82.4F.

The two scales line up on whole-number equivalents every 5C (or 9F, which is the same thing). Thus 20C=68F, 15C=59F, &c., so 16C and 28C can't line up exactly with F.

The difference between C and F is the difference between decimal and sexagesimal; one divides freezing -> boiling into 100 degrees, and the other divides that interval into 180. Thus C/F = 5 to 9.

@bosak Indeed. Everyone communicates temperatures to each other accurate to one decimal point, right? 😉
@atoponce In Fahrenheit yes! In Celsius, no! And that's the biggest practical difference between the two systems in talking about temperatures. In F, it makes sense to speak in whole degrees (when talking about the weather, for example); in C, it doesn't.
@bosak @atoponce lmao why would or wouldn't it make sense to talk about the weather in whole C degrees but would in F. Generalizing how people use scales is dumb as shit
@dinozombie @bosak @atoponce dino, I think you're prefer XKCD's take on temperature.
@mvilain @dinozombie @bosak @atoponce
I don't agree with -20°C. It's cold, yes, but not _that_ cold yet.
@dinozombie @bosak @atoponce Because whole degrees are really poor granularity in C, but not so bad in F.
@dalias @bosak @atoponce people who need granularity, WHATEVER THE SCALE, will use decimals. Stop trying to generalize how people use TOOLS
@bosak @atoponce am I reading this right? We pretty much only use whole numbers when talking about the weather in C.
@Aerliss @atoponce I stand corrected. Most uses of C that I've ever seen specify to the tenth of a degree. Different places, I guess.
@Aerliss @bosak @atoponce So do we round up or round down?
@CWilbur @bosak @atoponce I dunno, as it's always just round numbers. See below (I've got my app set to C). I'd assume normal rounding rules apply. Under .5 is down, .5 and over is up.

@bosak @atoponce

I think we are mostly just hoping to know whether to sympathize or be dumbfounded when someone complains about their current temperature using a different system. (Or maybe that's just me ...)

@atoponce
11.43°F ≈ -11.43°C (sign change)
160°C = 320°F (double)
-12.3°F ≈ -24.6°C (double)
@atoponce Typical cooking temperatures can be converted just by multiplying or dividing by two, with no more than 10 °C (18 °F) of error:
70…250 °C = 158…482 °F ≈ 140…500 °F
140…500 °F = 60…260 °C ≈ 70…250 °C
@atoponce More approximate formulas:
- Celsius to Fahrenheit: add 14, then double. No more than 5 °C (9 °F) off between -25…65 °C = -13…149 °F ≈ -22…158 °F.
- Fahrenheit to Celsius: subtract 28, then halve. No more than 5 °C (9 °F) off between -22…158 °F = -30…70 °C ≈ -25…65 °C.

@0x10f I do something similar when in a pinch:

- °C → °F: double it and add 30
- °F → °C: subtract 30 and halve it

@atoponce @0x10f it's not much harder to do it accurately, subtract 32 and get 5/9... (Or get 9/5 and add 32 going the other way)
Nobody else enjoys the mental math??

@gavgraham @0x10f Yeah, but then it's more of a pain. Sometimes my brain gets jumbled.

EG: 65 °F → °C

65 - 32 = 33. Okay, 33 * 5 = ... uhm ... 5, carry the 1, ... , 15, 16, .... shit. 165? divided by 9, ... uh, ..., 2 drop the 5. 75, so not 9, then... goddammit, ... 18 °C?

Or

65 - 30 = 35 /2 ~= 18 °C. Good enough.

@atoponce

I love your visualization of mental math 😂

@0x10f @atoponce I use the +/- 11 one in winter a lot!
@atoponce
20C=68F
30C=86 F
They are sort of my comfortable temperature range. Not palindromes, but instantly memorable for me
@allium @atoponce The gestimates for 16C=61F and 28C=82F are useful "tentpoles" for those of us who think in Fahrenheit but bump up against Centigrade. XKCD also had a chart.
@mvilain @allium @atoponce -45 degrees C, do not fall or you will shatter.
@mvilain @allium @atoponce Centigrade? I haven’t heard that in years. (rude of me to ask, but how old *are* you?)

@jdeisenberg @allium @atoponce Old enough to know that Dorian Gray isn't just a character in THE LEAGUE OF EXTRODINARY GENTLEMAN comic and dreadful movie.

That's what they used in my Chemistry Class in High School, along with teaching how to use a Slide Rule. I still have the Pickett my Dad gave me for HS graduation (and a wobbly HP45 that still works if you plug it in).

@beemoh @atoponce

Winter Low -35C
Spring/Fall 0C
Summer High +35C

VS

Winter Low -31F
Spring/Fall 32F
Summer High 95F

@atoponce The best way to convert from Imperial to Celsius is to invent a time machine and go back in time and shoot Reagan before he took office.
@Ralph058 @atoponce Nah, the American people wouldn't convert anyway. I mean, they invented a standard measuring cup instead of using units. Any units, basically.
@vonxylofon @atoponce
Fact:
The French invented the metric system.
Jefferson wanted the US to be founded on it (complete divorce from the king)
The standards were lost at sea. IDK why more weren't requested.
As recently as the 80s, a Frenchman looking out his window and seeing a lot of snow would exclaim (in French) "My God, tere's a foot of snow on the ground."
@atoponce SPOILER ALERT! I read a short mystery by Isaac Asimov where that is the answer to the puzzle! I think it's in "The Union Club Mysteries." Oh, and read it in the paperback---the first edition hardback has a misprint that botches the solution!
@atoponce btw when is america going to replace imperial with metric system?
@nitrofurano When we stop electing idiots for leaders.
@nitrofurano @atoponce We pretty much already have where it's important.
@atoponce
I usually refer to temps in C or US, e.g. 16C/61US. I think that makes it clear.
@atoponce Yes but are there any oxymoronic temps? Inquiring minds want to know! 😬

@atoponce While there was some fiddling, normal body temperature was set to be 98.6 degrees F, which is 37 degrfees C,. and 0 degrees F was the freezing point of a specific mixture of water and a salt (ammonium chloride). It might have made sense in the 18th century.

The Fahrenheit scale is used in the U.S. for the same reason that country still uses inches, feet, and pounds: if it was good enough for grandpa, it is good enough for me.