BonesOfTheMoonWhy do you think they don't?
Not trying to start a fight, just curious. If you (vegans) already know we (meat eaters) don’t care, why would you keep pursuing that line of argument?
KonnAt least for my part:
For the same reason I try to fight against injustices for people?
Why do I, as a male, condone sexist behavior and fight against it? Why do I, as a teacher, stand in for the rights of my students when they get wronged? Why do I, as a human, hate to see other people fighting?
It’s a mixture between empathy and a feeling of justice.
I just dislike unjust behavior - and for me, animal cruelty is unjust.
Sounds like you should be working on laws to restrict meat eating. That’s typically how we handle injustices on a society wide scale.
TheTechnician27You can’t work on laws to restrict meat eating without getting the public onboard first. Our democracy is flawed, sure, but we don’t live in an autocracy. Vegan activists do work day in and day out on lobbying for legislation. California just the other day banned octopus farming.
But that worked because the public was broadly onboard with it because of the recent public understanding of how intelligent octopodes are. If California somehow passed a restriction on meats like pork, beef, chicken, etc., then the entire state would immediately riot and kick the legislature out, completely undoing the restriction.
Good point.
May I ask this… Would you decide to gradually change your lifestyle to a less cruel one when the vegan arguments seem to be correct or would you rather wait for a law against eating meat?
Me personally? I don’t care about cruelty, so what would get me to change is a law that says I must. Or legal/economic incentives.
I do care about the environment, so I don’t eat beef. But that’s not common. Most people who don’t care about animal cruelty also don’t care about the environment.
A lot of vegans are environmentalists too, and so it caught my eye that you specificied beef. If you’re interested in an easy way to dramatically drop your environmental impact relative to the effort, trying out plant milks can be a great way to go about it. The dairy and beef industries are heavily intertwined, and from an environmental standpoint, dairy milk stands head and shoulders above plant ones in terms of emissions, land usage, and water usage. I would say that plant milks offer a better experience than dairy milk even completely regarding the ethics and the environment, so it could be worth your while.
You’re correct! And I’m working on that. I still think plant milks in cereal tastes weird, but fuck it cereal is bad for you anyway. I’m mostly on plant based milks now.
Hey, that’s really cool; I’m glad you have a concrete goal for yourself. If you ever have any questions about plant milks, feel free to drop us a line. I think most of us have a lot of experience with them. I think I’m covering most of my bases here:
- I started with sweetened almond milk and over time moved to unsweetened. I personally can’t stand the vanilla kind in my cereal, so that could be affecting things if that’s what you’re getting. If the sweetness or lack thereof is where you’re getting hung up, mixing half sweet with half unsweet can strike a nice balance, and since the shelf life is so long, opening two containers won’t matter too much if you use them fairly consistently.
- I’ve always thought oat milk tastes weird in cereal and so still tend to use soy or almond milk for it. If the milk feels too “thin” for the cereal, Almond Breeze has a creamier version of their almond milk, but for me it’s a bit too heavy (I never liked 2%; I was raised on skim milk).
- If you’re using Silk-brand milk, I’d highly encourage you to try even a generic brand of soy or almond milk; I think Silk is highly unrepresentative of how those milks actually taste, and it made me turn away from plant milk for years when I first tried it.
- Personally, I think pea milk is the pinnacle of plant milks and towers well above dairy milk and the other plant milks in terms of quality (maybe pistachio milk could dethrone it, but that’s like $8/L, so fuck if I’m ever buying it lol), but it’s considerably more expensive than what I consider the three “basic” plant milks. I’d definitely still recommend trying it though as a novelty, just not as part of your daily routine unless you plan on enjoying it in your Scrooge McDuck gold coin pit.
I’ll check out Almond Breeze, thanks! I do loooove the taste of oat milk in my coffee, but yeah it’s weird in cereal.