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edgemaster72If it wasn’t him it just would’ve been someone else
VenatorNot to mention HIDs can be just as bright…
MeatsOfRageSo what you’re saying is we need to go back and hunt down Richard BMW
He goes by Dick, actually.
Don’t be dumb. He’s German. It’s D’ich
We need regulations. It is dangerous to operate a vehicle if oncoming traffic makes it that difficult to see anything in your own lane.
lnxtx (xe/xem/xyr)In the Europe we have the regulations, it still sucks. Especially OEM “active-matrix” LEDs.
How? We only read the good things about active matrix headlights, not how they behave in the real world
This is why regulations should be able the behavior they want to see and not the technology used.
The goal is not to blind drivers; companies should be able to use whatever tech they want, but they should get fined every time their tech doesn’t work as expected in the real world.
AniviaMaybe you need to get your eyes checked. I rarely get blinded on the road in Germany, and when I do it’s almost always someone who just forgot to turn off his high-beams. Active matrix headlights are very common here nowadays and never blind me
OpenStarsIf we won’t regulate guns despite school shootings, what hope is there to regulate cars? (Unless someone rich can get a cut?) Apparently someone else’s freedumb to do dangerous things is my own freedom to stfu:-(.
All Praise and Honor be to our glorious Electoral College, may it forever prevent us from making dumb decisions such as “preventing needless deaths”.
Oh, yeah, of course it is not going to happen in the US. Force a pickup truck to aim their lights at the road instead of other drivers’ eyes? Political suicide. But I’d still like it to be regulated.
It is. You want it enforced too?
Even here where there are mandatory annual inspections meant to catch these things, no one ever checks headlights beyond whether they turn on and off
Even here where there are mandatory annual inspections meant to catch these things, no one ever checks headlights beyond whether they turn on and off
German TÜV inspections absolutely check that the headlights aren’t foggy and are aligned correctly
Me too:-|
Guns are part of the US constitution, headlights aren’t.
Well you just made it sound even more fucking stupid
Ode to Joy intensifies
It’s interesting how versatile classical music can be - e.g. reddit.com/…/protesters_singing_ode_to_joy_in_bon….
The problem isn’t LEDs though. The technology isn’t what’s making it bright.
The regulation needs to be specific about what they want the end result to be, not about the specific technology used.
Like: there should be a mode of operation where oncoming traffic at x distance, seated at y height, on level roads should not experience more than z brightness.
Or maybe actually enforce our existing laws on this, and make actual punishments for when people modify their cars and don’t align their headlights.
Going after random people is harder and worse than going after the manufacturers of products.
Unless you want police shooting black people because their lights were “misaligned”
I think it is LED technology. LEDs have a very small bandwidth. Even white leds are just three very small small bandwidth emissions.
The very tight intensity in such a small bandwidth is hard on the eyes. Even when compared with the same power of older lighting technology, which has a comparatively massive bandwidth.
LEDs could be designed to compensate for this better. They could add more different colours of LEDs to the matrix that makes up white LEDs.
It’s not because they’re LED. It’s because they’re aftermarket: illegally colored, and poorly aimed or not aimed at all.
1000% this. Aftermarket, fucked colors, and/or no alignment is the cause of the problems. I would add that a lot of aftermarket lights are also way too bright. Sure, the owner can see (a tiny bit) better but everyone else gets blinded. Even then, it’s not bad unless they’re not aligned properly. (Well, it’ll still blind you if it’s a truck directly behind you but that’s just trucks.)
𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆I own a '97 Honda. The last owner had LEDs in it. The lenses weren’t designed for LEDs, they were designed for halogens. So one of the first things I did was revert the headlights to halogen bulbs. And they work perfectly fine. I drive in a suburb so the streets are already fairly well lit. I don’t need to cast a beam 5 miles out to see where I’m going.
Anyway, the best thing you can do in 99 times of 100 is to consider what equipment you have and stick to OEM spec.
Or if you do legitimately want to upgrade, consider swapping in something that was OEM spec on a higher trim level/fancier related car model (e.g. Acura stuff on your Honda).
You don’t want blue light anyway because it messes with your night vision.
Often this is the case, but there’s also a not insignificant number of times I’m convinced a car with shitty aftermarket bulbs ends up being a new Acura, infinity, or Mercedes when I get close enough to determine the make.
New doesn’t mean no aftermarket
I don’t understand how LEDs were ever allowed with the same sockets. What legitimate use could that be.
… plus this has somehow gotten so popular that my garage, part of a major regional chain, offered to replace my headlights with LED replacement bulbs
… although I can see the personal motivation. When everyone else seems to be causing so much glare, you need all the help you can get
On the basic end: because they’re cheaper, use less energy, are more reliable, and last longer.
On the fancy end: have you seen demonstrations of Audi’s matrix LEDs? They have the ability to dim specific areas dynamically, so that they can track incoming traffic and keep them in a dim-zone while still keeping the road and shoulders well lit.
Keep in mind that there is nothing special about LEDs that make them brighter; they can make LEDs dimmer and they can make halogens brighter, but the manufacturer has chosen not to.
Sure, but making them with the same docket, so they fit in the same place, despite having different beam shape and reflector requirements, is entirely wrong.
My car has LED headlights and they fantastic. They also have a very sharp cutoff meant to keep it from blinding others, assuming correct alignment. It also claims to have the hardware for active matrix and will turn that on as soon as they get approval
My older car that I keep for my team has noticeably dimmer lights. I’d really like to convert to LEDs and I know there are some that fit and are sold as replacements. But I know they’re not
I think the key part is “the LEDs could be made dimmer, or the halogens brighter, the manufacturer chose not to”.
It makes sense for plain ol halogens to share the same socket as plain ol LEDs, because they function in the same way and are the same brightness.
But bulbs of different characters probably should have different sockets, so that high-intensity bulbs of any kind (eg xenon, laser, led) cannot be used in a regular lighting fixture without the necessary hardware to make it safe.
But here we have another problem - standardizing car parts is very beneficial to the owner because it makes repairing much easier and cheaper; if every manufacturer uses their own connectors for everything, then vendor lock-in would get that much worse and replacement parts would get that much harder to find and more expensive.
If manufacturer we’re encouraged or forced to use standards, and we’re instead encouraged not to, then they’d all make their own proprietary connectors for everything forcing you to get all maintenance done at official dealership where they can charge extortinat prices.
So it’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario. I think all we can do is regulate the behavior we want to see, and fine manufacturers, garages, and drivers that violate it.
This isn’t always correct. I have a 2021 Toyota and the lights are factory installed and way too bright. I’ve had the lights lowered by a mechanic, but I still blind oncoming traffic and frequently get people flashing their brights at me. I feel terrible, I don’t want to blind anyone. I had someone yelling at me about my aftermarket lights and I had to tell them they were factory, he was still mad at me. It drives me crazy, I hate these lights too! Replacements are over $1,000.
Thanks for sharing this. I’ll try to remember there are at least a few people out there like this when my blood pressure starts to rise, and I wish painful deaths upon the presumed assholes blinding me on my way home from working for 14h straight.
Emissions checks need to have strict headlight inspections and tight regulations on aim and intensity. Permits should be required for all these additional spots and bars that truck owners love to slap on too. It’s too far out of control.
Yeah, I hate them too. When it’s late and I’m on a 2 lane and a sedan is coming towards me I’ve gotten in the habit of turning my lights off to give them a break (not when it’s too dark), but I don’t do it for trucks, we just blind each other.
I’ll look into a film or something I could try to dim them.
Can’t you stick some material over the lights to dim them? Or is that illegal?
Bullshit, Tesla headlamps blind everyone else on the road straight from the factory.
Unless they were aimed poorly from the factory (with how bad their cars are built I’d lean towards that being very probable) they should not be blinding. I know someone with a very early model 3 that had poorly aimed headlights, but he eventually got it fixed. But the 5 other people I know with Teslas are not at all blinding. My Outbacks slightly fucked up headlight is more blinding than their cars.
Yeah, he already covered “poorly aimed or not aimed at all.”
Vivendi“tesla” and “build quality” do not match, even before the cyberstuck
helenslunchYes, my Tesla came from the factory with the headlights pointed at the sky. Was getting flashed all over the place. Fortunately they have an easy GUI in the MCU to aim them. But I’m sure many drivers are not smart enough to figure that out or even realize it’s possible.
And most cars involve a good amount of work to aim them manually which is time-consuming and possibly intimidating.
Eh, depends on the car. Most of mine involved opening the hood and twisting a screw.
That’s because there is no governance for aiming headlights properly. It’s usually done by dealers who don’t care.
Most headlight issues are because people have retrofitted improper lights into their factory casings. different light sources project light in different patterns so if you put an LED or an HID bulb in a halogen housing it will blind the fuck out of everyone.
But at the same time if headlights aren’t aimed properly they’ll just blind anyone anyway regardless of the light pattern.
On top of that really tall vehicles, even when aimed properly, still aim their headlights directly into your eyes just because of how high above the ground they are.
Very little of the blinding headlights issues are due to the source of the light.
That explains it to me. Never understood the hate for LED headlights, they’re great. Aftermarket is illegal here, you don’t see any.
And are 5 feet off the ground because of your stupid truck
ikiddThere’s enough fuck heads in minivans and civics that do this shit too
Every car that blinds me is some extremely new 2020-2024 year car. I get blinded by every third car on the road. The amount of people that get aftermarket headlights installed is very much not a third of all car owners. I can get behind poorly aimed by the dealer but you are wildly overestimating the number of people who have aftermarket lights.
Are they all trucks? If not, maybe you need to get your eyes checked if they’re all blinding you that badly. Or do they just not aim headlights properly in the US anymore? In EU, low beams are supposed to have a dipped beam.
Your last question, no they do not aim them correctly. Cost savings.
Yikes. Wouldn’t pass inspection in my country even.
Most states here don’t even have car inspections lol
Car inspections sound like a pipe dream here in the states. I think its a great idea personally.
rovingnothing29
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I never noticed that wojack was holding a VSS Vintorez
gedaliyahI’m surprised nobody has mentioned the horribly distracting flicker that they make.
It depends on the make and what PWM frequencies they use. Essentially everything LED flickers.
Did CRTs bother you? Most people weren’t perceptive enough to notice CRT flickering either.
mercCRTs were horrible, the flicker was unbearable at times.
And, I’m also really bothered by LED brake lights / tail lights.
I had an interlaced monitor once. That was horrible.