Beirut is a beautiful, historic city, full of galleries, beaches, farmers markets, etc

Today, Israel dropped 5000 lbs US "bunker buster" bombs on residential areas in Beirut, completely destroying 6 apartment towers. This while also bombing tents and schools today in Gaza

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/9/27/israel-attacks-lebanon-israeli-bombings-kill-more-than-700-in-lebanon

Israel attacks Lebanon: Beirut suffers ‘unprecedented’ bombardment

Dead and wounded after Israeli air strikes as rescuers rush to the scene in the southern Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh.

Al Jazeera

@seachanger and they got Nasrallah, the arch terrorist

We're a bit closer to a peaceful middle east now, with less of Iran's harmful influence

@EyalL Unfortunately, you're dead wrong!
@EyalL Unless you believe "War is peace"

@ml

I believe sometimes to get peace you need to win a war.

With Hezbollah it's definitely the case.

For the past year Israeli civilians had to escape northern Israel because Hezbollah targeted them there.

Destroying that terrorist organization will let Israelis and Lebanese return to their homes peacefully

@EyalL @ml I'm sure relatives of civilians killed by Israeli strikes see the necessity and will harbor no ill will in the future. A recipe for peace, indeed.

@pgcd @ml

There's no scenario where no civilians get hurt. So this criticism is irrelevant

@EyalL @ml there are many scenarios where there's at least an attempt at not killing civilians.

Also, this is not "criticism", it's a statement of fact: Israel is killing many, many civilians. If you don't think their relatives and friends will be looking for revenge, you're haven't met a human.

@pgcd @ml

Israel makes a big effort to avoid killing civilians, unlike its enemies who try to maximize killing civilians, and boast about it.

Israel has no path to peace and safety for its own civilians that doesn't include attacking the scum that is hiding behind civilians - so that's an unfortunate inevitability.

@EyalL if Israel is making a big effort, it doesn't really show.
Rather it seems like Bibi got his Bible teachings a bit mixed up when it came to Sodom & Gomorrah, and figures that it's perfectly fine to raze a city as long as there's at least one non-righteous person in it.

That said, I hope for the sake of Israel that Lebanese and Palestinian people are more forgiving than most, because I don't seee how this strategy can lead to peace and safety otherwise.

@pgcd see the amazing precision with which Hezbollah fighters were killed with a very small number of civilians killed with them. Beirut is still standing, except the buildings which hosted Hezbollah's HQ.

Your sources are likely lying to you to vilify Israel

@EyalL what sources would you consider reliable in this case? Let's exclude IDF, Hezbollah and Hamas for obvious reasons, and I'll agree to exclude the BBC for less obvious but still valid ones.
The last numbers I saw mentioned 6k wounded and 1000 dead, by the way

(Also note that those numbers are the ones that will be used to groom the next generation of enemies of Israel, in any case)

@pgcd

Just the pagers wounded and killed ~99% Hezbollah with very few civilians hurt. That's quite amazing precision. Many many wounded -- do you count them too?

The numbers of killed and wounded may be realistic - the question is how many of them are Hezbollah vs civilians.

@EyalL I'll give you the pager thing - while I find it pretty terrifying in abstract, I agree that they were pagers and not, say, iPhones which could've been in the hands of Hezblollah's children.

I find it much harder to believe that a random suburb of Beirut is inhabited only by terrorists without families, but I really don't have trustworthy sources. I don't even know what the trustworthy should look like.

@EyalL for instance: https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/asien/libanon-angriffe-israel-100.html

I hope we can agree that German isn't pro-Palestine in general (you can be jailed for attending demos, you don't get citizenship if you post that river/sea sentence on social media etc).

And yet, one of the main news channels seems to stress that civilians are very much affected.

Again: I think Israel has a right to exist and to protect itself. I don't think Bibi is doing it the right way, and I think Israel will be the worse for it.

Eine Million Vertriebene: "Die Situation im Libanon ist katastrophal"

Die israelischen Angriffe gegen die Hisbollah im Libanon treffen auch Zivilisten. Wer fliehen kann, flieht - auch ins Bürgerkriegsland Syrien. Im Libanon fehlt es an allem für die eine Million Vertriebenen.

tagesschau.de
@EyalL (for the record, I have no objection to the other part of your statement - Hamas etc are unequivocally bad)