kescusayTrump says Ukraine is 'demolished' and dismisses its defense against Russia's invasion
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boydsterHe’ll say the same to Taiwan, too
I mean, only if that’s what Xi writes on the check’s memo line.
You know when you go to a movie and it looks amazing but turns out to be just the same fucking trope of a shitty guy with a sack of money belonging to an actual real bad guy and instead of just delivering it, the shitty guy blew it?
Now you gotta sit through two hours of him verbally fellating the guy then getting actually scared? That one?
Anyone else hate that trope?
Why do you hate No Country for Old Men?! (LOL, it’s pretty close.)
Fargo too
Trump laid blame for the conflict on President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, his Democratic rival in November. He said Biden “egged it all on” by pledging to help Ukraine defend itself rather than pushing it to cede territory to Russia.
“Biden and Kamala allowed this to happen by feeding Zelenskyy money and munitions like no country has ever seen before,” Trump said.
“they didn’t extort ukraine for oppo research hard enough!”
Why didn’t he resolve the conflict during his presidency?
Or we also believe him that it didn’t exist when he was president? His first impeachment was for blocking already approved aid.
He thinks it all works on respect. That Putin wouldn’t have done it because of respect.
Trump needs to play less GTA2.
I think just the opposite. if you put all the pieces together he’s saying we shouldn’t care about ukraine and he would have just let Russia take it.
Two different things. He, like mob bosses, demand respect and all that.
And he doesn’t care about Ukraine. So he’ll serve it up on a platter.
Given he wants to dismantle NATO… you’re people right
feeding Zelenskyy money and munitions like no country has ever seen before
Except the Soviet Union during WW2. But we all know Trump is on the wrong side of that one too.
Have you heard the joke?
Putin summons the ghost of Stalin. “Help me Stalin, I’m having trouble with Nazis”.
Stalin says “Just do what I did. Send in your best troops, the Ukrainians, and ask the US for supplies.”
A lot of Russian “tankies” believe this unironically tho - that Putin should demonstratively purge the corrupt high command (which really is corrupt), nationalize our heavy industry such as car manufacturers, and force mobilize the masses to work on those plants, because otherwise we are at a real risk of losing to some stupid khokhols and their american overlords.
They don’t understand that Putin runs on personal loyalty first and foremost and purging anyone for mere corruption and incompetence is unthinkable (he is merciless to people he sees as traitors however). It’s not how the system works at a fundamental level
It’s great when his arguments only strengthen my resolve to stand with Democrats in supporting Ukraine.
nkat2112Concerning whatever this felon awaiting sentencing might say, recall that the opposite is true.
Slava Ukraini!
I just refuse to listen to a chronically lying fat fuck who shits himself on the regular
He’s way too deep in bed with Russia, and has been since the 90s if not earlier, to ever be taken seriously. How the fuck he wasn’t disqualified and charge over election interference and acting as a foreign agent in 2016 is beyond me.
Don’t worry though… If elected, he’ll get Putin on the horn and the “special operation” will be over before the following sunrise.
SuzuneWhen Trump is elected, the USA would also be demolished, but you should not give up the entire country.
rhythmisaprancerUkraine may be in rough shape, but no real fire fighter would stop trying to put out a fire at a burning house. There is always something to save.
Not that I disagree about Ukraine but a good firefighter would probably know if a house is a lost cause and that the best course of action is to prevent the fire from spreading to others.
ddhThey would also yell at the people holding back the water.
Its almost like thats exactly what has happened and is still happening. Russia would be on its knees if we actually stopped holding Ukraine back
Almost as if no analogy is 100% perfect
😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈Ukraine most certainly is not fully engulfed requiring a surround and drown.
Hence the “Not that I disagree about Ukraine” right at the beginning. Just pointing out the fireman metaphor doesn’t really work here.
Trump more and more desperate for those Russian funds. Probably get $1 million for each Ukraine/Zelensky diss.
And he’ll still get up in front of Americans and claim he’s not taking the side of the most belligerent enemy of democracy on this planet.
Trump always sides with himself.
YeetPicsIt’s making big sense lately why tankies LOVE trump so much.
He supports their favorite dictators very well.
I hope all the tankies and “genociders” will vanish after november so we can have normal discussions.
The worst thing about genocide is how it prevents internet liberals from shitposting in peace.
You can’t seriously debate if idiots screams gEnOcide JoE!!1! every few lines.
Just explaining.
Debate what?
Voting trump won’t stop it. Voting kamala won’t stop it. Voting third party won’t stop it. Widespread protests won’t stop it. But go ahead and explain how we’re all culpable regardless.
Widespread protests could stop it.
Just not by relatively small numbers of unarmed college students.
Widespread protests got us…
Checks notes
4 cops prosecuted for an obvious murder. Not quite ending genocide level, but good luck rising up with the masses.
Saw this just after reading the post about Russia knocking out Ukrainian citizens’ ability to heat their homes this winter.
Any tankies wanna weigh in on why this is acceptable?
OBJECTION!I suppose it’s considered acceptable for the Ukrainian people to suffer like that for the sake of the state interests of Ukraine and NATO, but personally I disagree, which is why I want the war to end. I personally don’t see how continued fighting is meant to benefit the average Ukrainian.
You understand that stopping fighting would in no way benefit the average Ukrainian and I think most people would agree your nation no longer existing would be the least beneficial thing for Ukraine.
I’m genuinely curious: we all want the way to stop but I really do want to know what’s your solution?
You understand that stopping fighting would in no way benefit the average Ukrainian
No, I do not “understand” this at all. The average Ukrainian would certainly be better off of the fighting stopped.
and I think most people would agree your nation no longer existing would be the least beneficial thing for Ukraine.
First off, Ukraine “no longer existing” isn’t really on the table. Secondly, while a state no longer existing is obviously a bad outcome from the perspective of the state, whether it’s good or bad for the average person, and to what degree, depends on the state and what the alternative is.
I’m not aware of very much that the Ukrainian state was doing to help it’s people before the war, or what rights people living in the disputed territories would enjoy as part of Ukraine as opposed to if they were part of Russia, or vice versa. So I see very little case for supporting either side in the war, from the perspective of class interests as distinct from state interests.
I’m genuinely curious: we all want the way to stop but I really do want to know what’s your solution?
Negotiate. Diplomatic approaches have been completely written off from start to finish, with Ukraine insisting on a complete withdrawal from all disputed territory as a precondition for talks, even from Crimea, which Russia already had before the war. Some territorial concessions are worth it to stop the meat grinder, because the amount of lives that would have to be sacrificed to reclaim all the territory are not worth the benefit.
How? Russia won’t leave and they aren’t tasting anyone well, kidnapping kids during the war kinda tells you everything you need to know.
It 100% is, give in this time and they’ll do it again just like last time.
So you’re ignorant but insist your opinion is correct?
They’ve tried, Russia says give up territory or die, no middle ground. This is very well documented.
That user is an accelerationist who wants Donald to drive the US into the ground so China can gain more global influence. They’re deliberately unwilling to confront facts, as you can see by the suggestion of Ukraine negotiating with country notorious for failing to honor its treaties.
Every word you speak is a lie. Are you even capable of being truthful?
I mean judging by what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem like they’re wrong.
Your stance is at best naively idealistic or at worst incredibly ill informed, stupid and legitimately dangerous.
That user is an accelerationist
Source?
who wants Donald to drive the US into the ground
Source?
Y’all just casually lie about people constantly, all the time and none of you ever see anything wrong with it whatsoever. You’re backing up someone who is blatantly lying, and who constantly lies about my positions. Back up their claims then, if you claim they’re not a liar, if you claim that “it doesn’t seem like they’re wrong.” Show me that you don’t just blindly accept claims with zero evidence. Show me that you’re not a liar just like they are.
Prove my point for me why don’t ya.
They’re deliberately unwilling to confront facts, as you can see by the suggestion of Ukraine negotiating with country notorious for failing to honor its treaties.
That is accurate, their opinion of you isn’t something I can verify but calling for Ukraine to surrender is actually accelerationist behavior so…
In what way is that accelerationist?
Do you have another phrase or word for advocating for Russian regional superiority knowing their intent on reunification of the former Soviet Union.
That’s exactly what you are doing though bud, you just don’t seem to see it. The Ukrainian conflict wouldn’t end with Ukraine surrendering, Russia will simply move to the next country and force Ukrainians to fight for them.
I don’t “know” their intent on reunification of the Soviet Union and neither do you. They’ve said the same thing in every conflict we’ve ever been in. Remember “Domino Theory” from Vietnam? How’d that play out? Remember how with the War on Terror, it was “If we don’t fight them over there, we’ll have to fight them over here.” Well, we’re not fighting them over there, so where are they? It’s the easiest propaganda line ever because you don’t need any evidence and you can apply it to anyone under any circumstances.
As for a word for what you’re describing “isolationist” or “dove” would be most appropriate. Peacenik. Defeatist. Pinko. Hell, you could even go with coward, if you like. It’s not as if there’s a shortage of derogatory terms for people advocating peace, it’s a very common thing to deride, historically speaking. Just go back and look at what people were calling me when I opposed the War on Terror if you need some inspiration.
You should, they’re not quiet about it at all. None of those were invasions prior to us intervention, you can blame a lot of shit on the US but Ukraine ain’t one.
Nope, isolationists and doves stfu because they don’t want to be involved. You’re neither peacnik nor pinko because Ukraines surrender attains no left leaning goal, it does just the opposite in allowing an authoritarian shithead to take over yet more of the world… Again. This has nothing to do with the war on terror, not being shitty in one area doesn’t mean you aren’t shitty in another, get a grip.
Please elaborate how opposing military aid to a country on the other side of the world is not an isolationist stance. You just said, “because they don’t want to get involved.” That’s my stance, I don’t want to get involved.
I don’t think you know what any of those terms mean tbh.
Again isolationists isolate themselves, meaning they don’t meddle… Like insisting their opinion on a matter they have no legitimate interest in. You’re involving yourself right now dumb dumb, if you don’t want to be involved… Don’t involve yourself.
That’s not an argument, that’s deflection.
That’s a completely ridiculous take. That’s not isolationism, that’s political disengagement. How do you even manage to say something so wrong?
Isolationists do not disengage from matters of foreign intervention, we actively oppose it. That’s what isolationism means, and you obviously know that.
If you actually had any confidence in your position whatsoever, you would have no problem saying that my position is isolationist and that isolationism is wrong. But instead, you’re trying to use wordplay to shift definitions in an attempt to delegitimize my position, by adopting the completely insane stance that wanting non-intervention in a conflict is somehow inconsistent with isolationism.
This is very blatant bad faith.
a person favoring a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.
Is the literal definition bud.
That’s not a logical assumption dude, your lack of understanding of anything has nothing to do with the veracity of my position. Again, you’re deflecting.
a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.
That’s literally what I’m arguing for. How could you possibly think that definition supports your position and not mine?
So you’re saying you are Ukrainian? If you aren’t then you’re not an isolationists, you’re an naive idealist who seems to think surrendering to a country who is literally beheading and sledgehammering surrendering troops.
You’ll have a Russian with more resources, more people and more territory. The last two times the world let that happen we lost over 15 million people… Each time.