Migrated to @[email protected]Sep 23, 2024

Announcing: Frog Protocols for Wayland 🐸

Let's create Wayland Protocols but much more iterative.

Wayland Protocols has long had a problem with new protocols sitting for months, to years at a time for even basic functionality.

This is hugely problematic when some protocols implement very primitive and basic functionality such as frog-fifo-v1, which is needed for VSync to not cause GPU starvation under Wayland and also fix the dreaded application freezing when windows are occluded with FIFO/VSync enabled.

We need to get protocols into end-users hands quicker! The main reason many users are still using X11 is because of missing functionality that we can be shipping today, but is blocked for one reason or another.

Check out the repo here! https://github.com/misyltoad/frog-protocols

and the Mesa MR that adds support for frog-fifo-v1 to fix these issues and goes into much more detail: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/31329/

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Show threadSimon SerSep 23, 2024
@frog sad to see this instead of efforts to improve wayland-protocols
Show threadMigrated to @[email protected]Sep 23, 2024
@emersion the governance model of wayland-protocols is set up in such a way that encourages and sustains all of these problems. there isn't really a realistic path for doing this sort of iteration in that model; nor a path for me to fix any of the other issues as an "outsider."
Show threadSimon SerSep 25, 2024

@frog Everybody can suggest improvements. Everybody can apply to be an "insider". All "insiders" are reasonable people and will listen to you if you throw ideas around.

But really, I don't think there is a high barrier between "insiders" and "outsiders". Many "outsiders" are super active in w-p and have a high impact.

Show threadJosh Simmons
@emersion @frog you mean all insiders are reasonable people, including the one who tried to get me fired from my job... (which thankfully, wasn't even my job) Yeah, it's a great and welcoming community to be sure.
Sep 25, 2024 at 4:18pmTusky
Show threadJosh SimmonsSep 25, 2024
@emersion @frog But more related to the topic at hand, I think this exact kind of "no that's actually not a problem" response to people talking about issues they have, is a pretty common theme with w-p. It's also the case when you read through responses to some of the MR's and issues, including in comments from insiders (by whatever definition you use). Disagreement is expected to a degree, but the condescension isn't necessary.
Show threadJosh SimmonsSep 25, 2024
@emersion @frog In my own personal experience, I really lost all hope when I saw people being condescending and generally just rude to icculus, of all people, on w-p. If their contributions don't allow them the benefit of even vague politeness when their input is dismissed out-of-hand I don't know what hope anybody else has.