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Migrated to @[email protected]Sep 23, 2024

Announcing: Frog Protocols for Wayland 🐸

Let's create Wayland Protocols but much more iterative.

Wayland Protocols has long had a problem with new protocols sitting for months, to years at a time for even basic functionality.

This is hugely problematic when some protocols implement very primitive and basic functionality such as frog-fifo-v1, which is needed for VSync to not cause GPU starvation under Wayland and also fix the dreaded application freezing when windows are occluded with FIFO/VSync enabled.

We need to get protocols into end-users hands quicker! The main reason many users are still using X11 is because of missing functionality that we can be shipping today, but is blocked for one reason or another.

Check out the repo here! https://github.com/misyltoad/frog-protocols

and the Mesa MR that adds support for frog-fifo-v1 to fix these issues and goes into much more detail: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/31329/

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Simon Ser Sep 23, 2024

@frog sad to see this instead of efforts to improve wayland-protocols

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Migrated to @[email protected]Sep 23, 2024

@emersion the governance model of wayland-protocols is set up in such a way that encourages and sustains all of these problems. there isn't really a realistic path for doing this sort of iteration in that model; nor a path for me to fix any of the other issues as an "outsider."

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Simon Ser Sep 25, 2024

@frog Everybody can suggest improvements. Everybody can apply to be an "insider". All "insiders" are reasonable people and will listen to you if you throw ideas around.

But really, I don't think there is a high barrier between "insiders" and "outsiders". Many "outsiders" are super active in w-p and have a high impact.

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Simon Ser

@frog Replacing a formal governance designed to give everybody a voice and avoid gatekeeping (yes, that's why the governance exists in the first place), with the wild west without clear rules of who can do what when, is a regression in my eyes. Not saying w-p is perfect in any means.