geneva_convenienceStop giving bad advice
themeatbridgeIt’s mind boggling that pro-Palestinian voters would support Trump. I understand opposing Biden and Harris supporting Israel, but Trump will be unquestionably worse for Palestinians.
Cowbee [he/they]Yep, the vast majority of pro-Palestinian voters and Palestinians themselves have been suggesting Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and Cornel West, not Trump.
dan1101None of those candidates will get more than low single digit percentages of the vote. You can vote your conscience or vote pragmatically. Voting pragmatically means voting for Harris to prevent Trump from winning.
I’m voting both pragmatically and with my conscience by voting for Claudia De La Crúz. The Democrats can gain my vote by sanctioning Israel or taking similar measures.
What’s pragmatic about voting for a long shot candidate in a system that so heavily favors the two major parties?
Removing legitimacy from the system itself, and forcing the DNC to appeal to the left if they wish to gain more votes, rather than allow them to get away with genocide.
The same DNC that blamed the left for Hillary losing and then credited centrism with Biden winning?
Those are fine goals, but pragmatism involves addressing reality as it is, not how you would like it to be. I doubt you can achieve both removing legitimacy from the system as you see it and forcing the DNC to speak to the left simultaneously since the DNC is a part of the system that’s in place. Unfortunately the DNC appealing to the left needs to be a two way street, make the left more appealing to the DNC than the right. All those Republicans endorsing Harris is the right appealing to the DNC, the left needs to out do that effort to pull the DNC to the left. Rejecting them won’t do that, only the opposite.
The same DNC that blamed the left for Hillary losing and then credited centrism with Biden winning?
Yes. They can continue to blame, but they will continue to lose.
Those are fine goals, but pragmatism involves addressing reality as it is, not how you would like it to be. I doubt you can achieve both removing legitimacy from the system as you see it and forcing the DNC to speak to the left simultaneously since the DNC is a part of the system that’s in place. Unfortunately the DNC appealing to the left needs to be a two way street, make the left more appealing to the DNC than the right. All those Republicans endorsing Harris is the right appealing to the DNC, the left needs to out do that effort to pull the DNC to the left. Rejecting them won’t do that, only the opposite.
This is peak liberalism, lmao. The DNC is pulling right because of their donors, if they think they can win without the left then that is their miscalculation.
Lol, yes. There are metaphorical carrots pulling the DNC to the right, I think we agree there. Now if you want to be “pragmatic” about it will a metaphorical stick from the left move them more left, or more right given the way we can see they calculate?
It’s a carrot, not a stick, but either way electoralism won’t save anyone.
Says the guy advocating poorly applied electoralism
Not once have I said voting will do any real good.
Not in those words
I’m voting both pragmatically and with my conscience by voting for Claudia De La Crúz.
With the goal of
Removing legitimacy from the system itself, and forcing the DNC to appeal to the left
Is that not good? Or is it not real?
Or maybe it won’t have that effect? Because that’s an idealistic plan, not a pragmatic one
It’s a minor effect, equivalent to signal boosting a good message. My single vote isn’t going to do jack shit in the grand scheme of things, organizing will.
Yeah, that’ll show them. I’m sure that their monitoring your vote with great interest.
FFS 🤦🏽
Depends.