Oh look, Starlink is continuing to screw up the sky in every way possible.

"Second-Generation Starlink Satellites Leak 30 Times More Radio Interference, Threatening Astronomical Observations"

https://www.astron.nl/starlink-satellites/

It's going to be "hilarious" when Starlink messes up the radio sky so badly that radio astronomers can't even use quasars to calibrate GPS anymore. There are so many consequences from all these stupid, cheaply built, disposable satellites. https://www.universetoday.com/105160/navigating-the-cosmos-by-quasar/

Second-Generation Starlink Satellites Leak 30 Times More Radio Interference, Threatening Astronomical Observations | ASTRON

Observations with the LOFAR (Low Frequency Array) radio telescope last year showed that first generation Starlink satellites emit unintended radio waves that can hinder astronomical observations.

ASTRON
@sundogplanets I am naive about spacecraft. Do these satellites have a way to be brought safely back to earth, or are they stuck in space until they break apart and fall to earth?

@volcano @sundogplanets

For the most part YES. Most of these satellites have ion thrusters which should allow them to be deorbited on command. The orbit these are on will also naturally decay after 5yrs if the satellites stop occasionally boosting their orbits.

This is all a bit uncharted air control problem the so it's probably a bit dangerous to bring a lot down at once.

@nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets

Yes, they will mostly burn up in the upper atmosphere and are unlikely to kill people via direct impact. However, these large numbers of satellites will deplete the ozone layer and kill and blind people via increased rates of cancer and cataracts.

The chances of SpaceX/Elon Musk caring are ... I dunno ... close to zero. Even if government regulation demands that they do something about it, I expect they will simply defy the law.

@isaackuo @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets "these large numbers of satellites will deplete the ozone layer and kill and blind people via increased rates of cancer and cataracts" 🤔
[citation needed]

@Leuenberg @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets

Reference re massive numbers of satellite reentries depleting ozone layer:

https://www.space.com/megaconstellations-threat-to-ozone-layer-recovery

Satellite megaconstellations threaten ozone layer recovery, study confirms

Within the next 30 years, concentrations of ozone-damaging aluminum oxides in the atmosphere could increase by 650%.

Space
@isaackuo @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets Interesting, but your assertion is lacking a lot of conditionnal. From the author of the study : "any conclusions related to environmental impacts are premature".

@Leuenberg @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets

The question I was replying to was asking whether it was possible to *safely* remove these large numbers of Starlink satellites.

In order to do something _safely_ it is imperative to err on the side of caution. If the extent of the damage to the ozone layer is not certain, you don't get to assume it's negligible and say you're doing the safe thing.

@isaackuo @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets Then wouldn't the reasonable answer be : There could be detrimental effects so we can't say if it's possible (to deorbit safely). Instead of asserting that there *will* be an impact to the ozone layer and that this impact *will* cause cancers ?

@Leuenberg @nullagent @volcano @sundogplanets

We know there will be an impact to the ozone layer, and this will have health effects. The uncertainty is over the extent.