In my younger days, phones were a way to communicate with other people. Nowadays they are mostly a way to communicate with corporations, and that is a polite way to say it.

@robpike I can see both ways on this.

There’s a lot of time wasting available on phones.

But a huge portion of my kids’ phone use is just texting with their friends. They read more and are better connected than the average kid was when I was young.

All that communication doesn’t suddenly become worthless just because it’s not with audio.

Edit: you did not say it was worthless. I just… I think the kids are alright. The huge corps suck. But, my kids are better off being able to text friends.

@lkanies I don't think @robpike meant that "all that communication suddenly become worthless just because it’s not with audio"

It's about how having a so called "smart" phones (with a shitload of accounts and “the cloud" bullshit) is becoming mandatory for every aspect of normal life, to use your own tools/devices you have already paid for, to access services, including PUBLIC services, only so big corporations can know everything about you, for advertising profiling and to send you spam…

@devnull @robpike yeah, I get it. But I really honestly think kids are better connected now than when I was a kid, and it’s because of our modern phones, and I think that’s good.

It’s definitely true that some get lost and don’t achieve human connection. It’s always been true.

I just think it’s too easy to think “kids these days are making a mistake” and not think “fuck I wish I could have texted my friends at midnight when I was 16”.

I think the kids will be ok.

@lkanies @devnull @robpike iirc kids who use phone interact with people less irl and less responsive, I'm not so sure if it's a good thing.