Lost_My_MindSep 13, 2024

Celebrities will never adopt the Fediverse until usernames are centralized.

https://lemmy.world/post/19710451

Celebrities will never adopt the Fediverse until usernames are centralized. - Lemmy.World

Because let’s say you’re Tom Hanks. And you get [email protected] Well, what’s stopping someone else from adopting [email protected] [[email protected]]? And some platforms minimize the text size of platform, or hide it entirely. So you just might see TomHanks, and think it’s him. But it’s actually a 7 year old Chinese boy with a broken leg in Arizona. Because anyone can grab the same name, on a different platform.

Show threadWatDabneySep 13, 2024
I presume I’m supposed to care, but I dont, and I don’t know why anyone would.
Show threadLost_My_MindSep 13, 2024

The other night 337K people all registered to vote, simply because Taylor Swift sent one message on instagram.

People come to the platforms FOR the celebrities. And that’s just ONE celebrity. The more celebrities on the platform, the more fanbases come with it.

But celebrities are picky. If they think something will hurt their image, they won’t do it. Even if theres minimal chance it hurts their image. They have to be protective.

So they need assurance that when they post something, there’s zero chance someone else could be posting “as them”. Ironically enough, that was the original purpose of twitters blue checkmark.

Show threadDr. WeskerSep 13, 2024

Fuck the celebrities. They aren’t your people, peers, or friends. They adopt platforms only when they determine they can make a buck from it. They’re the kids that break your new toys, and you’re suggesting we keep inviting them over to play.

They will only bring enshittification. Having a platform that isn’t celebrity friendly is a boon.

Show threadLost_My_MindSep 13, 2024

With the celebrities come their followers. Which is like 97% of the world. I’m trying to get that 97% to adopt the fediverse.

But they don’t come on their own. They go where their celebrities go. The celebrities bring content for their followers to consume.

Show threadDr. WeskerSep 13, 2024

You’re arguing quantity over quality. I do not care the least for bootstrapped growth at the detriment of the platform. I also do not care about people who idolize and platform hop in order to follow celebrities. I suspect very few will bring with them value beyond increased traffic.

If you want this, Reddit is still an option available to you.

Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

Quantity is quality, if you have good filters in place.

I never understood people that argue something is bad by looking at the median case. The problem of Reddit, Twitter and Facebook is not due to the amount of people they have, and they were absolutely fine until they tried to exploit their userbases.

(Aside for @[email protected]: see what I mean about Fedi’s anti-growth and reactionary culture? Our friend here is not an isolated case)

Show threadBlaze (he/him)

Aside for @[email protected]: see what I mean about Fedi’s anti-growth and reactionary culture? Our friend here is not an isolated case

It’s more against having celebrities and their followers coming here en masse, which I get.

I’ve still seen a few comments mentioning “organic grow” which seems indeed healthier

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Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

“oh, I want it to grow, I just don’t it want to grow with people that I don’t like”

You can dress it however you want, it’s still elitist, reactionary and exclusive.

Show threadBlaze (he/him)Sep 13, 2024

The other night 337K people all registered to vote, simply because Taylor Swift sent one message on instagram.

That’s the example used by OP to make their point. Just from a technical perspective, how are instances supposed to handle 300k new users overnight?

To come back to your usual argument, do you expect those hundreds of thousands of new users to get a Communick subscription? Or to even support the hosting costs of the instances they would use?

Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

how are instances supposed to handle 300k new users overnight?

They won’t. Not at first. First we will get maybe 50k, LW will do their thing and try to gobble up the majority of users, alien.top can also help absorb part of this crowd and I could even finally convince some other admins to set up fediverser on their instances to help with the migration.

But the important thing is that this type of backing from the mainstream would mean free marketing.

do you expect those hundreds of thousands of new users to get a Communick subscription?

All of those people, of course not. But I expect the increased user base and media attention to bring the following:

All of those things translate indirectly into more business opportunities, none of which need to sacrifice the ideals of the open social web.

Community is not enough · Raphael Lullis

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Show threadBlaze (he/him)Sep 13, 2024

In that scenario, let’s say for some reason Taylor Swift really wants to give Lemmy a try for whatever reason.

Her advisors have a look around, see the userbase, and conclude it’s not worth the hassle compared to the millions of people they can reach out on Twitter, Facebook and Reddit.

Taylor Swift’s team doesn’t even manage her own forum, why would they want to go through the hassle of setting up a Lemmy instance?

The scenario described by OP is “Taylor Swift posts about the Fediverse”, but why would she care about it in the first place?

Pinging @[email protected] as they are a Taylor Swift expert. Scrubbles, do you have any opinion on this discussion?

Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024
It doesn’t matter if it’s a post of Taylor Swift or someone from /r/wallstreetbets convincing the mob to short RDDT and to move to Lemmy, we are talking about any random scenario that manages to get 300k people interested in Lemmy.
Show threadBlaze (he/him)Sep 13, 2024
That scenario is the killing of the third party apps, and is still ongoing
Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

Nah, there is no more concerted effort from the mods to get people out of Reddit. The mods that still wanted to take action were kicked out, the others that remained are too afraid to lose their “power mod” status or were appointed by Reddit itself to take charge.

it will take some other new event to take place for people to get mobilized again. Reddit won that battle.

Show threadBlaze (he/him)Sep 13, 2024

Have the apps API access been officially restored?

Though, to be fair, we might see another influx the day the private API keys stop working, or Reddit isn’t compatible with them anymore. I see a lot of people using those to still be able to access Reddit through their preferred app

Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

Have the apps API access been officially restored?

No, they won’t be and the majority of people didn’t care. Which is kind of my point?

private API keys stop working

That will not happen. If they kill the API for good and do the same thing that happened at Twitter, all the bots from Reddit are going to disappear and it’s going to cause a hit on Reddit traffic.

The number of people who cared enough about third-party apps is not enough to affect their bottom line, so as long as they managed to get (say, 80% of the Apollo/Sync/Infinity users into the official client is enough)

Show threadScrubblesSep 13, 2024

I’m actually flattered that I have this… reputation on Lemmy lol.

Personally, I don’t care if celebrities come and join, even Taylor. Honestly that’s one of the reasons I’m okay with threads starting to federate, I see celebrities joining there and then we can sub from our instances. Best of both worlds imo.

Show threadBlaze (he/him)Sep 13, 2024

Well, I’ve been following your work on your instance for a while, so I thought about you.

Thank you for your comment!

@[email protected], one instance admin okay to federate with Threads!

Show threadrglullisSep 13, 2024

“oh, I want it to grow, I just don’t it want to grow with people that I don’t like”

You can dress it however you want, it’s still elitist, reactionary and exclusive.