return2ozmaCelebrating at the DNC in a Time of Genocide
DMBFFFHey Americans, don’t vote for 3rd parties that oppose the mass murder in Gaza, because in the 2-party state, voting bad is not as bad as voting worse.
KoboldCoterieIt’s only “voting bad” if you only care about this one, single issue. Compared to Biden or Trump, Harris’s platform includes a lot of things I really want, so I’m going to vote for her - not because I have to, but because I want to. Yes, I’d greatly prefer her stance on Gaza was different, but this is not a Biden situation where I’m voting for him because there’s no other option. If you refuse to vote for someone because you don’t like literally 100% of their platform, you’ll never cast another vote in your life. I’m honestly kind of tired of this “If you vote democrat, you’re supporting genocide!” stance; it’s tired, reductionist, and not helpful to anyone. Even if you convince enough people to vote third party that Trump wins, does that help Gaza? No, it makes the situation worse.
HomerianSymphonyIf you refuse to vote for someone because you don’t like literally 100% of their platform, you’ll never cast another vote in your life.
Even if I supported 99% of Harris’s agenda, if the remaining 1% is genocide, that’s gonna be a problem for me.
There are two possible outcomes in this election. Neither are good for Gaza, but one is worse. Voting third party (if you’d normally vote democrat) is indirectly supporting Trump, who is the worse of the two options for Gaza.
Voting 3rd party to try and make a point is not helping the situation.
If you want to actually make a difference, get out there and protest, write letters to politicians, make phone calls - make sure they know what you want. People voting 3rd party doesn’t do any good if they don’t know why those people are voting 3rd party.
They could look back on this in 4 years, see a lot of third party voters, and assume it’s because Harris isn’t white, or because she’s a woman, or because of any number of other reasons. The only way they’ll know what your opinion is on this matter is if you tell them.
ClassStruggleWriting letters to politicians and making phone calls isn’t going to do shit, they only answer the money and we don’t have it.
So it’ll do as much as screaming into the void on Lemmy - got it!
Well, you have to vote for Harris, protests are ineffective, as is posting on lemmy.
Ever notice that the only option is always stfu?
Protests have been getting a ton of media attention. I wouldn’t say they’re ineffective at all. I’d say they’re the most effective thing you could be doing.
Yeah, just look at how that needle has moved from “unconditional support for genocide” to “unconditional support for genocide.”
It’s getting it in the public eye, though. That’s something. Politicians would much rather it was just swept under the rug, and the high-profile protests are making sure that doesn’t happen.
It may be getting in the public eye, but when it’s pointed out to liberals, they start chanting things like four more years or USA USA.
So, what, you only want to protest if you can do it in an environment where there’s no pushback? I’m not sure I follow your point. There are obviously people who disagree with the stance, that’s not news. They have the same right to be vocal about their stance as anyone else does. Drown them out.
It’s getting it in the public eye, though. That’s something.
It’s worthless. Just like all the platitudes about ceasefires. If we keep selling them weapons, they’ll keep genociding. And that’s the entire goddamned idea.
I wouldn’t even say it’s “indirect” anymore. These people know exactly what they are doing, and the blood of millions of Palestinians will be on their hands if Harris loses.
You’re a single-issue voter. That’s fine. But some of us aren’t.
Yeah, some of us are fine with letting genocide slide. There are other things to worry about, you know.
Your bad faith argument will not deter me. You are right, there are other things to worry about. I fear for the women in my life that may no longer have access to the reproductive health care they deserve. I fear for my LGBT friends who may no longer have the rights they deserve. I’ll easily turn a blind eye to something happening a half a world away so the people nearest and dearest to me can continue to exist. I hope for the safety of Palestinians - but I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.
Your bad faith argument
So you can’t even accept that there are real people who genuinely care about the Gazans.
That says a lot about you and the company you keep. (And, to be fair, the entire white supremacist culture of the United States.)
so the people nearest and dearest to me can continue to exist.
The people near you are not in any of danger of being deliberately wiped out by American bombs. The people in Gaza are.
Yikes. I’m disengaging now. You’ve baselessly called me a white supremacist, insulted the company in which I keep, put words in my mouth, and downplayed very real threats because the threat isn’t a bomb. It’s clear you can’t be communicated with. See you in another life!
You’ve baselessly called me a white supremacist
I’m saying you think it’s normal to be unconcerned about brown people being genocided because you’ve grown up in a white supremacist culture which continues to portray non-Western cultures as primitive savages who ought to be subordinated by white people, with force if necessary.
Do you listen to yourself?
Did I say something untrue?
I’m not the person you’ve been replying to, just an onlooker and yeah… You’re out of pocket, bro. Take a breath. You’re resorting to ad hominems, and person attacks about a person you know nothing about. It makes you (and your argument) look really bad.
No, I know what it means when someone expresses disbelief at the very concept of caring about non-white foreigners.
Dude you are either incapable of understanding the nuance of reality, or you’re just posting in bad faith. Take a look at my comment history and tell me that I don’t care about people of color.
or you’re just posting in bad faith
And now you’re doing it.
no u
I would bet dollars to dimes that your tune would be different it were a white country being genocided.
Voting for Trump or not voting is a direct threat to the very existence of the Palestinian people. You think you’re making an ethics statement when in reality you’re just ensuring that Netanyahu can finish the job unmolested.
you’re just ensuring that Netanyahu can finish the job unmolested
Biden is already giving Netanyahu everything Netanyahu wants, and I don’t really think it matters if Biden molests Netanyahu while he does it.
I mean, I didn’t know Biden was giving handjobs to Netanyahu, but I’m not surprised either.
If you honestly (like actually honestly) believe that, out of the two possible outcomes of this election, Donald Trump will be the better choice for Palestinians, then you are the stupidest person I have ever met.
Voting for a third party, or not voting for all, is effectively a vote for Donald Trump in this current two-party situation. That’s just reality.
You’re right, that was silly of me. I’m sure they’ve moved on to blowjobs by now.
I bet Biden takes the dentures out.
If Trump wins, you will find out very fast what the difference between him and Biden is…
But frankly, I don’t believe you that you give a shit about Palestinian people. So I’m not going to bother continuing with this.
I don’t know what happened, but Blahaj used to be a good instance. Now it’s just full if dumbass tankies with no grasp of nuance making other progressives look bad.