Mika (@irfan)

On the note of not-immediately-obvious benefits I've noticed since making the switch to Wayland: - My Magic Trackpad works great right out of the box - I **think** this is bcos of Wayland, including the 3-swipe up gesture to launch Overview and 3-swipe down on an app to open "Expose"-like view a la macOS. Pinch to zoom was an obvious new addition though which is nice. They worked fine and similar to when I was on X11 though with help using something like #Touchegg to configure my gestures. I'm not seeing "1:1" gestures though that I've been hearing so much about - I wonder what that's all about... I thought it'd be like macOS but maybe I had the wrong expectation. - Previously on X11/Plasma 5, I'm not too sure what's the cause or what triggers it, but I often get this particular issue when (I **suspect**) I use too much memory over time - I often could repro it when I open too many tabs too long on Firefox, where I'd then get a bug where windows of all kinds including context menus, app windows, notifications, hint messages, etc. appearing completely black. The fix was then to just restart and as long as I don't use Firefox like a maniac for too long, this issue never occurs. I think I remember seeing people say that it happens when too many pop-ups appear in short periods of time such as notifications or any sort of file-manager dialogs, etc. On Wayland, it doesn't seem to happen at all anymore - even when I'm using something crazy like 28GB out of 32GB of memory. That's **really** nice. RE: It's hard to sell #Wayland to people, because while people often _rave_ about how broken and awful #X11/#Xorg is, to most people, it's not as bad as people are saying. Even for me, with #NVIDIA hardware, I didn't really encounter any issues that were particularly notable (goes without saying that I'm definitely not speaking for everybody, though I've seen similar sentiments from others that implies I'm not alone in this). So, again, it's harder to sell Wayland because the switch is pretty _expensive_ for developers (to update/port over their app to reach feature-parity with how they worked on X), and for end-users - the benefit you'll be getting isn't always clear, while the shortcomings that Wayland's had and currently has at the moment is a lot more obvious (i.e. most remote desktop software don't work and those that do are in Beta or don't work well at all, windows couldn't remember their last position/size, some weird quirks such as clipboard issues and many more due to the majority of non-compliant apps that need to run in Xwayland, etc.). **THAT BEING SAID** I think distros/DEs making Wayland the default is the right move, esp now when IT IS USABLE even with NVIDIA hardware thanks to the latest drivers and updates/hard work done by folks like #KDE (for me, since I use Plasma). Plasma 6's release was god awful for me since Wayland was definitely broken on my GPU at the time, but not anymore - I'm quite mindblown that I've been able to daily drive Wayland now completely after a really long period of testing Wayland -> back off ASAP -> repeat.