TheReturnOfPEBStarliner spacesuits not compatible with SpaceX Dragon
TravelatorHow could they not think of this during design? Rocket science, my ass.
Private companies competing for things ends up with stuff like this. Unless NASA or someone designs a spec and contractually enforces everyone to implement it, problems like this can crop up in all kinds of places.
In most fields, even private companies understand the need for industry standards.
Yeah, like how Apple works with other phone and tablet manufacturers to use a unified charging and data port.
astrskI can’t tell if this is sarcastic because Apple contributed over 20% of the engineers credited with developing USB-C.
All told, Apple contributed 18 of 79 named engineers listed on the connector certification project or under 23%. 9to5
It’s sarcasm, because it took EU legislation to force them to actually fucking use it a decade later.
They don’t contribute engineers out of the kindness of their hearts. They do it for entirely selfish reason — to have influence in the standard.
Do you also believe Google created Chrome for “freedom”, instead of to gain a competitive advantage in web and ad tech standards?
Do you believe any for-profit entity give two shits about anything except for profit? Oh, that’s right, the one you like/work for is different.
In what universe was my comment promoting any for-profit? Are you mentally deficient?
Why do you think any “privatized” entity does anything? Altruism? Charity?
Only when it’s their standard most of the time, which is the reason why we have so many standards for so many things that do basically the same thing
And that’s why we have the EU telling apple and their fanboys to eat shit and use USB-C :) without these legislators we get the chaos you mention
Elon and his companies seem to have a propensity for preferring proprietary bullshit over standards
halcyoncmdrThere is no general spacesuit “standard”. Suits up to this point have all been designed for a specific purpose and often even a specific vehicle. Newer vehicles have used newer suit designs to go with them. The upcoming Orion system for Artemis uses an entirely new and different suit as well. Not to mention the Russian and Chinese suits are different as well to work with their vehicles.
Dave.So what we need to do is keep a bunch of umbilical adaptor hoses in the glovebox of every spacecraft.
“Do we have a Boeing to SpaceX adaptor?”
“No but we can do Boeing to ESA to Soyuz to Shuttle to SpaceX. It’s 8 feet long but it will work.”
“Good enough then.”
The internet would absolutely lose it if SpaceX started selling dongles.
KokeshI don’t think there is a standard. NASA should have mandated something in this department.
That’s because you are illiterate in the matter and want to criticize spacex for the sake of it. There is no current “standard” for space suits.
Carighan MaconarI mean this is a direct result of privatising this particular field, granted.
Though even then, this is something that should have been flat-out mandated when the contracts where going out: “You’ll be compatible with one another, and don’t even dare start a sentence bitching about it or this contract is immediately torn up”.
The crew of Apollo 13 weren’t really stranded, as such. They were far from home and not sure if they had the means to get home before the supplies ran out, which is a different problem
Sergei Krikalev was stuck on the Mir space station for 311 days after the Soviet Union broke up.
What an absolutely wild situation to be in.
- go to space
- your country becomes another country while you’re there
- congrats on your new citizenship, I guess…?
Tom Hanks in The Terminal 2: Waiting for Korolev
It is a touch surprising that a discussion like
we have standardized electrical, fluid, and gaseous connectors. You will use them if you want the contract accepted. This is not a debate.
Never occurred.
I have zero doubt the lawyers (probably contractors) involved with writing up the contracts aren’t also in the pockets of the “competing” corporations.
Even if it wasn’t defined in the contract, the competitors knew of each others involvement and made no effort to address what was guaranteed to happen — they let this happen on purpose, as a strategic decision.
It’s all part of the hyper efficiency of privatizing profits and regulatory capture.
Because these contracts aren’t about creating something. They are about funneling wealth to the already wealthy.
mercanoIt was intentionally not specified. NASA wanted two dissimilar spacecraft so a flaw with one wouldn’t ground the other. If they had specified a common space suit and an issue came up with it, then both Dragon and Starliner would be out of action.
This Starliner debacle just keeps getting better and better.
I think SpaceX stated a while ago that they have two suits that could fit Wilmore and William that could do up with the next dragon.