Cyrille MartraireAug 18, 2024
Negative12DollarBill

@Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality

“Many have observed that conservativism's nostalgia for "simpler times" is really a yearning for childhood: the reason life was simpler when you were a child isn't because times were simpler - it's because you were a child, sheltered from life's complexities by your parents.

Hence conservativism's daddy issues, its yearning for strongmen who'll make the nation great through discipline, ordering and control.”

@pluralistic

Aug 18, 2024 at 12:48amWeb
Show threadPolly MarquetteAug 18, 2024
@pluralistic Weird.
Show threadJamesAshburnerAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic Mummy issues, also: yearning for, and promoting TradWives based on their age 3-4 mother experiences.
Show threadNick TaylorAug 18, 2024

@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic

That's George Lakoff"s thing isn't it? 2 competing species of daddy-issues.

Conservative "how to raise your child" books are basically manuals for how to damage your kids in the same way you were.

(Left vs Right brain dominances (if you're going to go adopt the McGilchrist framing. There are selective advantages to both ))

Show threadPossumanthaAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic It's also why Walz is so infuriating to them. He's their neighbor's good fun dad. They feel tied to strict mean dad.
Show threadStarkRGAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic Huh, based on their actions and rhetoric, I assumed it was because they longed for a time when a white guy could blatantly say and do bigoted things without repercussions and domestic violence was accepted if not outright encouraged.
Show threadNegative12DollarBillAug 18, 2024

@StarkRG @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic

The “discipline, order and control” part includes the threat of violence. That's the price you pay and you hope it doesn't fall on you.

I mean in theory you have some people who grew up with Atticus Finch as their father and yearn for the simplicity of progressive, anti-racist values and a strong man who stands up for the weak. But those people probably grow up to have a better grasp on reality anyway.

Show threadStarkRGAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill I don't remember Atticus Finch being particularly anti-racist. He was progressive in the 1950s sense that he didn't think letting a developmentally disabled black guy be executed was good, but he certainly wasn't progressive to my eyes when I read it in the 90s.
Show threadNegative12DollarBillAug 18, 2024

@StarkRG
• Tom Robinson was physically, not developmentally disabled
• The story takes place in the 1930s not the 1950s
• Atticus stops him from being lynched not executed

But anyway, not the point. Atticus Finch is a strong man, a role model for his children, and in contrast to the Trump model, embodies left- rather than right-wing ideas.

Show threadStarkRGAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill Eh, it's been a while since I read it, and I very much didn't like it, so I'm not going to reread it. I guess, compared to literal Nazis, yeah, it could be seen as progressive.
Show threadNegative12DollarBillAug 18, 2024
@StarkRG
Wildly off topic by this point but why did you dislike it so much?
Show threadStarkRGAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill It's been long enough now that I don't remember many specifics. I think being forced to read it, and forced to read it in a *very* specific way was probably a strong contributing factor. That said, I was equally forced to read Slaughterhouse V, which I heartily consumed over the course of about a week and a half which made the in-class discussions difficult since it was supposed to be read over the course of the semester.
Show threadPteryx the Puzzle SecretaryAug 18, 2024
@StarkRG @negative12dollarbill One frustrating tendency I've noticed among a minority on the left, who I often like otherwise, is an apparent belief that history should not exist and all fiction older than about twenty years old should be burned because it's not progressive enough. It feels like a disturbing mirror of the right-wing idea that reading a story about a queer person or someone using fictional magic always results in an irresistible temptation by the Devil.
Show threadStarkRGAug 18, 2024
@pteryx @negative12dollarbill Feel free to assume that's what this is, you're wrong, though.
Show threadMx VerdaAug 18, 2024
@StarkRG @negative12dollarbill except slaughterhouse V (I’ve never read it), I share this exact opinion about To Kill a Mockingbird, but also Star Wars
Show threadgrouchoxAug 18, 2024
@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic also, life was better because their bodies weren't slowly failing them. Yes, things are falling apart now in your world. That's life once you hit 50.
That taints your outlook on life big time, I suppose.
Show threadjeffsussnaAug 18, 2024
@JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @pluralistic whereas the left acts out its daddy issues from the perspective of a teenager 😜
Show threadMark OheAug 18, 2024

@negative12dollarbill @Simplicator @JessTheUnstill @GrimmReality @pluralistic

Bingo ⬆️

They’re desperate to be seen as “adult” but in fact they’re still children.