Volkswagen's first electric ID GTI will be 'a real go kart' to drive
According to Grunitz, Volkswagen’s first electric GTI will be “a real go kart” to drive. He’s already driven a prototype, claiming, “It’s really amazing.” You can see the concept pulls design features from VW’s classic GTI models. However, the company promises new tech will enable even more control and handling for that “go kart” like feel.
Why would you want it to be noisy? I get that noise was cool when that older technology was new, and I get the nostalgia, but try silent before you head to the past. It just seems so much more modern and so much more powerful, the silent acceleration just makes it feel effortless.
I get the amazing tech of those older cars. I get the heat, the hundreds of moving parts, the alloys, the precision, it’s just amazing. Like steampunk. Appreciate it as the museum piece that it is or go geek out over it but go silent but deadly
I want a stick with an e-car.
Things are different off-road, anti-lick brakes suck on dirt and different gear ranges are useful. Not everyone lives urban.
4, 5, 6
4 was pretty short lived. Got it very well used already as a college car. Loved it so much though I got a 5 soon as the 4 died. By then was out of college and had new car money. Had the 5 until about 150k miles when it finally wasn’t worth repairing. Found the 6 used for a steal. Only has 80k miles at this point. I drive it maybe twice a week with working from home and traveling for projects. Hoping to pass it off to the kids.
But I keep looking at an Mk7 R for sale nearby. Tempted to go for it. I just also like not having car payments if not needed.
150k miles Not worth repairing
Is this what counts as a good car?
Earlier golf e made it to Canada, with a nice 30% premium on top of the exchange rate
I loved my first golf but VW service was hot garbage. I am not sure they can lure me back, definitely not with the markups here
Second link goes here where they elaborate a bit: volkswagen-newsroom.com/…/the-new-id-gti-concept-…
GTI is a trademark for VW with some heritage. It carries some implications for potential buyers. Like Design elements, emotion, handling capabilities and reasonable pricing for a sportscar-like vehicle.
GTI – for decades now, this name has stood for compact sports cars from Volkswagen. Golf GTI (Golf GTI, six-speed - fuel consumption combined, l/100 km: 7.1; CO2 emissions combined in g/km: 161. Golf GTI, seven-speed DSG - fuel consumption combined, l/100 km: 7.0; CO2 emissions combined in g/km: 160; only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicle. Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions data with ranges depending on the selected equipment of the vehicle.) , Scirocco GTi, Polo GTI (Polo GTI, seven-speed DSG - fuel consumption combined, l/100 km: 6.4; CO2 emissions combined in g/km: 146; only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicle. Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions data with ranges depending on the selected equipment of the vehicle.) , up! GTI (up! GTI, six-speed - fuel consumption combined, l/100 km: 5.5; CO2 emissions combined in g/km: 125-124; only consumption and emission values according to WLTP and not according to NEDC are available for the vehicle. Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions data with ranges depending on the selected equipment of the vehicle.) . Icons. Volkswagen is now catapulting GTI DNA into the age of electric mobility with the new ID. GTI Concept (ID. GTI Concept - concept car.) . The world premiere of this electrifying concept vehicle will take place during this year’s IAA Mobility in Munich (5 to 9 September 2023) – exactly 48 years after the worldwide debut of the first Golf GTI at the IAA in Frankfurt. The ID. GTI Concept is based on the ID. 2all (ID. 2all - concept car.) presented in March – a future electric compact car that costs around 25,000 euros and which has generated worldwide attention. Its front-wheel drive, clear design and powerful proportions make it the perfect starting point for a new GTI. Volkswagen Head of Design Andreas Mindt already also had the sporty derivative in mind when he produced the first sketches for the ID. 2all. And just like the ID. 2all (ID. 2all - concept car.) , the ID. GTI Concept (ID. GTI Concept - concept car.) is more than just a show car – it is the first glimpse of the exciting GTI future because its series development has already been decided.
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the letter “I” for injection in the GTI name now also stands for intelligence
Saved you a click.
Marketing people make up the stupidest shit. “Grand Turismo Intelligence”.
Why not just say “I” stands for current. It’s literally the symbol for that. So it’d be Grand Turismo, but electric.
Why not just say “I” stands for current
Ooh yeah, that would have been way classier.
Or just GT, since thats the two letters they also use for their diesels (GTD) and plug in hybrids (GTE).
They could have also gone with GTID, still GTI, but also ID, their EV brand.
Can we have an e-car with manual controls and no tracking please?
“No, it’s the consumer’s fault for dragging their heels.”
You’re right they are expensive components, though I’d point out the battery tends to be the cost leader of the drive train by a significant margin. The motors are increasing over time, but not enough to surpass the battery.
Drive traintrain cost breakdown:
With this in mind, the average electric car has range of 200 miles, with the most popular model pushing beyond 300. The battery could easily be cut in half in order to lower the vehicle cost.
Don’t get me wrong, I know half the battery doesn’t mean the car would be half the price, but it would be a good chunk. And in today’s market, every dollar saved matters.
I haven’t seen any data suggesting degradation is worse in smaller capacity batteries, but even if it is, degradation as a whole isn’t as a big a deal as might be believed. It was significant ten years ago, but insignificant today.
I’ll take your word for it on the torque point. I don’t remember much about EV torque comparisons but it makes sense on the face of it that if you lose a bunch of the energy, some of the torque goes with it.
On battery replacement due to degradation:
Across all years and models, outside of big recalls, only 2.5% have been replaced. This increase from last year is entirely due to older cars. For cars older than 2015, replacement rates are 13%, but under 1% for cars from 2016 and newer.
Non recall replacements (by year of manufacture):
That’s an order of magnitude improvement in half a decade, and the best of that is already ten years old. Battery technology is only getting better, and with better batteries, we could afford to put smaller ones in a commuter car and sell them cheaply.
Yes, though my comment was more pointed to how the CAFE regulations incentivize auto manufacturers to create larger vehicles for the higher profits. If the US didn’t start leaning towards trucks and SUVs back then and instead kept innovating what cars could be, the competition in the compact car space would have driven prices further down.
The fact that 27k is considered among the cheapest new cars is partially a result of automakers discontinuing their cars in favour of larger vehicles with juicier profits.
I dont like large vehicles either and the trend. But $27k is still not that high, inflation just makes it seem that way. A new RAV4 is cheaper than they were in the 90s despite being s bigger and more premium now.
theautopian.com/somehow-the-2024-toyota-rav4-is-4…
27k today is the equivalent to $13500 in 1996. I’m guessing the new GTI will be a lot nicer than what you got back then, thats the price of a base Cavalier.
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I can agree with that. Undoubtedly there’s better value now than what there was thirty years ago. I think my gripe is moreso seeing other countries having 10k EVs available and there not being a simple way to get one in North America.
I’d just like to see us have more options. Without a single contender less than 15,000 dollars, we’re sort of stuck buying bigger and pricier cars.
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