How Project 2025 Turned Into the GOP’s Biggest Political Loser
"A Democratic operative who has seen private polling on how a number of issues could move the 2024 presidential election — like health care, the economy and immigration — told NOTUS that, improbably, no issue was benefiting Democrats more than Project 2025. And, predictably, Democrats are capitalizing on the unpopular plan.”
it used to be project 1980 and it has updated every single election year with both democrats and republicans enabling almost 75% of it so far.
biden really liked project 1980 and its sequels but wouldn’t say anything about project 2025 because of his history with it and now it’s a good thing that he’s out of the race because now democrats can pretend that it’s brand new and that they’ve always been against it.
meanwhile my mind continues to be blown how short our memories are and how little we pay attention.
it used to be project 1980 and it has updated every single election year with both democrats and republicans enabling almost 75% of it so far.
40% reduction in greenhouse emissions by 2030, income inequality dropping for the first time in IDK how long, working-classes wages rising even outpacing historic inflation, unions domestic manufacturing reforms on policing IDK what else, student loan forgiveness by hundreds of billions of dollars. And all of that was after the Republicans blocked like 80% of what Biden tried to do.
GTFO with your "both sides." You're actually 100% right as it was applied to the Clinton era and how it put us into this mess in the first place, but IDK if you've noticed that several decades have passed since then and the Democrats have changed substantially. They almost nominated a socialist for president, for one.
we’re literally at the highest peak of fossil fuel generation in recorded history and using tariffs to block truly affordable green energy products; wages across the board have not kept up with the cost of living; and biden literally created the student loan problem with the law he championed in 2005.
the dnc hasn’t changed at all; it’s the issues that have change; and democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both times.
you’re mistaking reality for “both sides” arguments.
we're literally at the highest peak of fossil fuel generation in recorded history
Not literally true; the most recent figures I've seen make it look like US field production of crude oil has been going down since November 2023. But you sort of have a point as regards continued extraction going up and up, which is a problem. If anything I am saying sounds like "and that's why everything is fine and we don't need to reduce anything else at this point," I am not saying that.
There's a huge amount of the impact of the Democrats' action in the last 4 years which is not simply extraction, though. Here's a summary of the estimate of the impact, and here's a followup about how it's been going.
If you want to have a conversation about how the law is working in practice, which is based on analysis instead of on talking points, then sure we can do that. But I feel like the direction of "and that's why it doesn't matter who is president" (if that is something that would argue -- not putting words in your mouth, just getting to the heart of the matter) will be incompatible with almost any conceivable fact based analysis of what's going on.
and using tariffs to block truly affordable green energy products
Faaaascinating
So you're super upset about the tariffs on Chinese EVs, but you don't really care about other aspects of recent legislation regardless of their impact on the landscape? Do I have that right?
wages across the board have not kept up with the cost of living
Depends on how you measure. This is the first result I came up with when looking into it -- however, there's an important aspect of it that that doesn't delve into. Working class wages rose by about 32% during that period, unadjusted -- meaning that yes inflation ate up 20 percentage points of that gain, but also, the poorest Americans actually saw wages go up by a massive amount even under the punishing 2022 inflation. That, to me, is notable, and highly unusual even for a Democratic president (because yes they are corporate friendly scum quite a lot of the time; on that we can agree). No? I'm not bothered that tech workers at the top of the scale lost 3% of their wages relative to inflation, if you pick the exact right start and end points.
biden literally created the student loan problem
Fuckin citation needed lol
democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both times
True dat
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
Not literally true; the most recent figures I’ve seen make it look like US field production of crude oil has been going down since November 2023. But you sort of have a point as regards continued extraction going up and up, which is a problem. If anything I am saying sounds like “and that’s why everything is fine and we don’t need to reduce anything else at this point,” I am not saying that.
Faaaascinating
So you’re super upset about the tariffs on Chinese EVs, but you don’t really care about other aspects of recent legislation regardless of their impact on the landscape? Do I have that right?
the policies are put in place to guarantee american hegemony and it doesn’t matter if it’s the chinese or the americans that will continue to fuck over the world for their own interests; i need these green products to continue earning a living in this country and so do many other people.
Depends on how you measure. This is the first result I came up with when looking into it – however, there’s an important aspect of it that that doesn’t delve into. Working class wages rose by about 32% during that period, unadjusted – meaning that yes inflation ate up 20 percentage points of that gain, but also, the poorest Americans actually saw wages go up by a massive amount even under the punishing 2022 inflation. That, to me, is notable, and highly unusual even for a Democratic president (because yes they are corporate friendly scum quite a lot of the time; on that we can agree). No? I’m not bothered that tech workers at the top of the scale lost 3% of their wages relative to inflation, if you pick the exact right start and end points.
nice cherry picking
Fuckin citation needed lol
this one is literally in recent living memory and so easy to find on google that it’s crystal clear you’re sealioning.
democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both timesTrue dat
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
then why did you use it as an example that democrats have changed?
United States domestic oil production has hit an all-time high last week, contrasting with efforts to slice heat-trapping carbon emissions by the Biden administration and world leaders. And it conflicts with oft-repeated Republican talking points of a Biden “war on American energy.” The U.S. Department of Energy reported that American oil production in the first week in October hit 13.2 million barrels per day, passing the previous record set in 2020 by 100,000 barrels. Weekly domestic oil production has doubled in 11 years. Yet the United Nations and scientists say the world needs to cut carbon emissions by 43% by 2030.
here's an article i read not too long ago from a reputable organization that proves that this is literally true
Yes. It was true in October and November of 2023, and then it stopped being true as domestic production fell from the peak it achieved in those months. Pretty sure I touched on this.
Your link is actually a really good overview of a lot of the issues involved, why this is still a massive problem whatever level of "progress" has been made, and the successes and failures of the current administration. Like I said, if you're up for a fact based discussion, that sounds great. It sounds like maybe you are not though. Like you didn't even seem to be aware that both of our arguments give the same date for the peak; you offered the October 2023 article as a sort of counterargument for me saying the peak was November 2023...
the policies are put in place to guarantee american hegemony and it doesn't matter if it's the chinese or the americans that will continue to fuck over the world for their own interests; i need these green products to continue earning a living in this country and so do many other people.
This is a fascinatingly specific type of non-answer to what I asked you. I asked whether climate-friendly policies that don't directly impact China were of interest to you. It kinda sounds like the answer is "no"...
nice cherry picking
Focusing on working class wages is not cherry-picking. I care more about what happens to working-class wages than I do about overall wages (although, it's also relevant that the biggest decline that I could find for overall wages relative to inflation was 3 percentage points). Doesn't that seem like a good thing to focus on? Or no?
this one is literally in recent living memory and so easy to find on google that it's crystal clear you're sealioning.
Yeah. Biden used to be much more conservative; he was part of that whole Clinton revolution of right-wing Democrats that was so horrifying in the 1990s. I didn't expect all that much out of him and then he somehow wound up being this super-progressive president, by the standards of Washington, and the Democratic congress more or less (with some fuckin HUGE asterisks on that it's true) went along with it. I was surprised. We need more of that; he was, of course, only progressive by the fairly low standards of Washington.
But it's still weird to me that you're clinging to the talking points when I'm clearly open to the conversation. IDK. Good luck I guess. You're giving me a chance to air out some of the factual details and expand on them, so I'm fine with talking about it even if you don't seem like you can really make sense of what I'm saying.
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
then why did you use it as an example that democrats have changed?
You are aware that "the Democrats" are not a monolith; that they have multiple people and even multiple subgroups within them? I used Bernie Sander's almost-successful candidacy as an example. The group of Democrats that kneecapped his presidency, I don't like, no. Replacing those jerks sounds great.
Yes. It was true in October and November of 2023, and then it stopped being true as domestic production fell from the peak it achieved in those months. Pretty sure I touched on this.
Your link is actually a really good overview of a lot of the issues involved, why this is still a massive problem whatever level of “progress” has been made, and the successes and failures of the current administration. Like I said, if you’re up for a fact based discussion, that sounds great. It sounds like maybe you are not though. Like you didn’t even seem to be aware that both of our arguments give the same date for the peak; you offered the October 2023 article as a sort of counterargument for me saying the peak was November 2023…
you’re assuming it was only 2023; here’s another article that shows fossil fuel generation is increase is trend upwards and estimated to continue onwards into 2025
This is a fascinatingly specific type of non-answer to what I asked you. I asked whether climate-friendly policies that don’t directly impact China were of interest to you. It kinda sounds like the answer is “no”…
my response converts the theory into impact; people are hurting because of these policies and the biden administration is ignoring that damage; as biden has always done.
Yeah. Biden used to be much more conservative; he was part of that whole Clinton revolution of right-wing Democrats that was so horrifying in the 1990s. I didn’t expect all that much out of him and then he somehow wound up being this super-progressive president, by the standards of Washington, and the Democratic congress more or less (with some fuckin HUGE asterisks on that it’s true) went along with it. I was surprised. We need more of that; he was, of course, only progressive by the fairly low standards of Washington.
biden hasn’t changed; the issues around him have changed and it only seems that biden has evolved because he needed to votes from the people that he had been shitting on for decades; as biden has also always done.
But it’s still weird to me that you’re clinging to the talking points when I’m clearly open to the conversation. IDK. Good luck I guess. You’re giving me a chance to air out some of the factual details and expand on them, so I’m fine with talking about it even if you don’t seem like you can really make sense of what I’m saying.
you only shared justification for shitty policies and minimized of the only facts presented with citations in this entire exchange.
I am getting the strong impression that my attempts to engage in good faith are wasted on you
Good luck with your talking points I guess
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