Saw someone elsewhere assert that Britain is “one of the least corrupt countries in the world”, and couldn’t let that go unchallenged, so here’s what I said:

Only because of this one weird loophole, which I will explain below:

For the last decade, the previous government has been awarding public contracts for infrastructure, etc, to what are essentially shell companies run by their mates. These companies then do the bare minimum for as long as possible, which if you drive round the UK, is why you see all those road “improvement” works which do nothing and take forever and never seem to have anyone working. It took two years to replace a roundabout with a set of traffic lights near my apartment, for example. Other examples: large amounts of “PPE equipment” during Covid which turned out to be useless junk.

Obviously they aren’t actually spending anything but a trivial amount going through the motions, so what happens to the rest of the money, which let’s remember, was raised by taxes.

Well, it gets donated back to the ruling party as “political donations”, and then if the pretend contractor does a good enough job of this, they get an knighthood, or even a seat in the House of Lords for “services rendered”.

Now you might think that this sounds corrupt, and you would be right. It sounds deeply corrupt, but apparently it’s not because a lot of the global agencies which work out corruption indices are based in, checks notes, London, and are probably in on the scam, and get to define what “corruption” means, and define it to mean, “not this”.

Et voila! You have a country with one of the biggest wealth gaps in Europe funnelling vast amounts of public money to populist spaffers in government, all legal, laundered and sanitised.

The whole of UK society is like this. It’s how it works, and once you see it you either join in, or walk away in disgust.

@goatsarah Indeed it seems because a police officer won't take £50 to let you off it counts as not corrupt but it is corrupt at the highest levels, not the lowest levels.

@luke Exactly that! Here in Portugal, things seem corrupt because there's a lot of, "oh, you want this service. My friend works there. Let me have a word and you can jump the queue".

Which is "corrupt", but "Imma just create a shell company in the British Virgin Islands and you can award it an M25 widening scheme which I won't actually bother delivering, and instead I'll donate 80% of it back to 'charitable causes', as run by your good self, and we'll see what's what. Golf later?" isn't.

@goatsarah

Something deeply unsavoury is going to on with building management in London as well. The management company gets quotes from their three preferred contactors who are all 100 miles away and charge £80 extra to remove 1 bag of rubbish that could have gone into the communal skip. And the roof still leaks afterwards.

@celesteh yeah. It’s like this at every single level. This is how one of the richest countries in the world is so grubby. The money is getting skimmed, everywhere.
@goatsarah @celesteh 100 miles away from where Charles lives is where I live, many of the property management companies are round here and fight like rats for the "big ticket" contracts from London, turning down work in the local area (as they won't pay the inflated prices) and adding to the traffic problems on the A12, M11 and M25 every rush hour (which leads to many collisions including fatalities)

@goatsarah Ah, but white-collar crime isn’t really crime, is it?

If we had to suddenly examine the UK for building a worldwide money laundering and reinvestment scheme, the SFO would be very busy … if that’s too much, they could check out every closed-shortlist ‘competitive tender process’ … although that would also take a while …

@goatsarah
The US is "not corrupt" in very similar ways.
@goatsarah Don’t forget that all this money ends up in untaxable opaque offshore accounts, the legality of which is managed by those same people.

@alexanderdyas truth in advertising; I have an offshore account in a crown dependency and they absolutely send details of my balance and interest to HMRC and Finanças (Portuguese tax authority) every year. I pay income tax on them.

Maybe they have different rules if your balance is beyond a certain amount.

@goatsarah Jersey for instance has a personal tax rate of 20% max for residents, and 0% for corporations based there [0]. My understanding is that all you need to do is register a company there and your business doesn’t pay tax on that money.

As far as I am aware the same is true of places like the Cayman Islands.

The Spider’s Web is a great documentary about this [1]

[0] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/061716/why-jersey-considered-tax-haven-c-cs.asp

[1] https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8?si=8fuTPGfb9t6DBrM8

Why Is the United Kingdom's Jersey Considered a Tax Haven?

Learn about the maximum 20% personal and 0% corporate taxes of Jersey, a self-governing possession of the British Crown and one of the Channel Islands.

Investopedia
@goatsarah depends which country the bank is located.. for example cayman islands has no corporate tax, so people take advantage of that. i think most people just use offshore for flexibility, privacy and protection from lawsuits (so a different type of loophole xD)
@cracc_baby I have one because my wife sold her business to a bunch of seppos who wanted to pay in USD, and it was the easiest way to open an account in that denomination. Kept it because it’s handy for buying grey market oestrogen.
@goatsarah @cracc_baby "[I've got an offshore bank account for trading grey market body modification drugs]" is cyberpunk.
@clacke @cracc_baby I wish. The reality is quote a bit less exciting.
@goatsarah I think you've summed it up nicely. I live in hope that the new government will clamp down on the crooks, grifters and super-rich ASAP
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@k_ginty @goatsarah would be nice, but unlikely. The Greens might or might not, but they’d be who I would vote for if I could.
@k_ginty @goatsarah The problem is that the members of the new government have also made a career out of this type of corruption, albeit in a quieter, more discreet, and possibly less voluminous manner. Remember the expenses scandal in 2010?

@goatsarah

Multiply that by every capitalist country in the world, which is most of them nowadays.

The US is equally as corrupt in this regard.

@goatsarah

It's worth bearing in mind that London is often referred to as the laundromat of the world for dirty money.

It's also nicknamed Londongrad because of all the oligarchs hiding their stolen billions in luxury houses that sit empty.

People don't realise how corrupt the UK is because the British (let's be honest mainly English) know how to spin, minimise, evade & manipulate like no others. Even the British public has zero clue just how corrupt it is.

@sentient_water @goatsarah

"mainly English" ?

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @goatsarah You may have noticed all the posh, English psychopaths who have been in power since forever.

Besides have you seen the inequality in this country?

@sentient_water @goatsarah

There's also the vast majority of English people who are not entitled, nor are they from rich lineages, and they get pretty fucking sick of being blamed for everything and tarred with the same brush as the Etonian establishment.

Also, there are Scottish and Welsh amongst the elite, not just "English."

@sentient_water @goatsarah

I'm from the North East, and one of the poorest towns in the North East. You don't have to lecture me about inequality.

@sentient_water @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @goatsarah

The British invented inequality. 👀

@partnumber2 @sentient_water @goatsarah

Did they really. So there was no inequality in civilisation, before the British "invented" it...

OK lol

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah You completely avoided what you said to me.

Great debating style. By the way I noticed your toots on the genocide going on in Palestine. Well looky who got that shit started.

"Gardner Thompson, a British historian, traces the arc of this seminal development in Legacy of Empire: Britain, Zionism And The Creation Of Israel, published by Saqi Books in London. A specialist in British colonial policy in Africa, he argues that the Arab-Jewish conflict in Palestine was precipitated by Zionist colonization and fostered by Britain."

Then there's India, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland & of course the indigenous people of America. The British have a reputation for genocide, exploitation & subjugation of billions of people throughout history.

But please tell us why you're their biggest fanboy?

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

Once again you are conflating the actions of the British establishment with the entire British people.

Please tell us where you are from, so I can blame you for the evils historically comitted by your successive governments.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @sentient_water @goatsarah

You can blame me for all the evils perpetrated by the English as apparently, according to my partner, I’m to blame for everything bad that’s ever happened in the history of history. 😎

@partnumber2 @sentient_water @goatsarah

OK. let's draw a line through this insane and pointless argument and agree that the English establishment have a lot to answer for, but they are not solely to blame for all the wrong in the world.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah You've been the ONLY person here generalising.

Stop trying to act like the rational, reasonable one now.

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

and you talking about "the British" as if it is one complete unit is not generalising?

Goodbye.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah Nope that's you. Refer to the first thing I posted. I explicitly excluded the Scottish & Welsh & majority of the English from my point.

But your thin skinned defensiveness suggests you're heavily invested in the English being seen as noble distributors of civilisation.

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

oh, please fuck off.

I am neither in denial or in defense of any of the many evils committed by the British empire, and have never said anything in their defense.

My only point is that not "all English" are in support of their establishment, nor should they be held in the same contempt.

Sorry if that is too difficult for you to comprehend.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah I believe you were the one who responded to me, not the other way around.

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

goodbye, go and attempt to bully someone else.

or perhaps get a life.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah Rude, cruel & unprompted but yeah sure I'm the troll & the bully.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah Passive aggressive much? Yes I probably should get a life but it's pretty difficult being physically disabled & autistic & traumatized but thanks for highlighting that.

Really "nice" of you.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah This is what you responded to. Where I'm very clearly not making a generalisation. You replied to this. This is what you've been basing your whole tirade on.

'People don't realise how corrupt the UK is because the British (let's be honest mainly English) know how to spin, minimise, evade & manipulate like no others. Even the British public has zero clue just how corrupt it is."

You engaged with me. You started insulting me. You wouldn't drop it. But please tell everyone how I'm the bully.

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

pls go away, I left twitter because of trolls like you

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah No you're doing the conflating, not me.

I certainly never blame millions of people for the actions of a handful of monsters.

I'm not telling you where I'm from you mentalist. Besides would it matter?

@sentient_water @partnumber2 @goatsarah

Am I their biggest fanboy? That's news to me, I just ask that people distinguish between the British governments and establishment, and British (or English) commoners, who are also frequently downtrodden by their own elite.

I think you have a chip on your shoulder, old boy.

Also, I am entitled to my own opinions about the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza. If you don't like that, then feel free to fuck off.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah

If you can't see that the fanboy comment was a joke based on your own statement then you're either not paying or not being a good faith actor.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah Don't call me old boy you Bellend.

We might get along if you weren't a pedantic, petty prick but hey ho.

@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @sentient_water @goatsarah London England has a different legal system and laws than the rest of the country.
@cdnpup @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @partnumber2 @goatsarah I think you may confusing London with The City of London. Still completely messed though.
@sentient_water @goatsarah the British Public don't want to see it, they want to fit in with the Posh.
@goatsarah The writer and mafia expert Robert Saviano said in an interview a few years ago that the most corrupt country in the world was indeed the UK because of all the dirty money flowing to London from around the world.
https://archive.rai-see.org/uk-is-most-corrupt-country-in-the-world-says-mafia-expert-roberto-saviano/
UK is most corrupt country in the world, says mafia expert Roberto Saviano | Regional Anti-Corruption Initiative

@goatsarah this really is what UK society is, a sequence of lies designed to keep the Rich on top and the rest of us blaming immigrants for the corruption of the Elites
@goatsarah Why are they replacing a roundabout with traffic lights? Roundabouts generally are cheaper, safer and more efficient than signalized intersections.
@jheartney Because it gives them an excuse to spaff public funds into their own bank accounts via their mates’ “companies”.

@jheartney @goatsarah Key word "generally". The roundabout is better a lot of the time, and many traffic light crossings would benefit from being turned into roundabouts, but it's not a strictly better solution in every single case.

It depends on the traffic volumes and the space available to build a roundabout that fits the traffic volumes. This could be one of the cases where the roundabout was rationally a mistake.

Or it could be an irrational fear or annoyance with roundabouts, or the mentioned corruption.

@clacke @goatsarah @jheartney
Traffic lights allow for pedestrian phases

Because roundabouts are so efficient for traffic flow, crossing a road at a busy roundabout is very difficult

(Not disagreeing that the UK fails to recognise political "donations", " gifts", directorships, and post-politics employment as corruption)