DrDAug 10, 2024
I thought the Vice President responded to the protestors in Phoenix with respect. She acknowledged their concerns and made an emphatic statement for a ceasefire. They've now protested by heckling at two consecutive rallies + the VP had a one-on-one meeting with representatives of the protest prior to Wisconsin rally. For mine, they've made their point - in a democracy they can continue to heckle but they've made their point. #harriswalz @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Show threadTim BrayAug 12, 2024

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> in a democracy they can continue to heckle but they've made their point.

I disagree. Moving America's Overton Window on IsraPal will require persistent retail politics, which is to say embarrassing public shouting until there’s evidence that their concerns are getting attention (there isn’t yet). Probably they won’t change any policies pre-election, but they need to make it clear they’ll be an ongoing presence that’s hard to silence.

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Show threadKat Valentine Allwell

@timbray They're not going to get anywhere on substantive policy statements unless they can convince the Kamala Harris campaign that their support is more than enough to negate AIPAC.

Unless they do that, they're not going to get what they want.

AIPAC is much more effective at smearing politicians and driving negative press than the collective efforts of pro-palestine protesters.

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Aug 12, 2024 at 3:06amWeb
Show threadKat Valentine AllwellAug 12, 2024

@timbray "You should be more afraid of us than the other guy" may be an effective tactic to get something resembling what you want, if you're actually right.

But it's not an effective way to get a seat at the table.

And if you're successful in a harassment campaign to achieve an objective, you certainly won't be effective a second time.

Big stick diplomacy only works when you've got the bigger stick.

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Show threadKat Valentine AllwellAug 12, 2024

@timbray
And on top of that, "big stick diplomacy" doesn't work if you say "I'm going to use the stick if you don't talk to me" and then they talk with you, and you use the stick anyway.

All you do is prove yourself to be an untrustworthy counterparty.

I really get it. I used to be an anarchist filled with anger and frustration at all the shitty things that never seem to end.

Your anger will not be sated by forcing other people to listen.
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Show threadRamesh #NotGoingBackAug 12, 2024

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>> They're not going to get anywhere on substantive policy statements unless they can convince the Kamala Harris campaign that their support is more than enough to negate #AIPAC… AIPAC is much more effective at smearing politicians…

100%

And this is exactly why I believe BOTH sides are engaged in #PoliticalExtortion using the #Democratic ticket as a bargaining chip for "their" side ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112851314746158744

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