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People like this deserve one thing only, but saying what they deserve will get you banned from some instances.
I’ve got a friend who, thanks to close family of hers being a cop, is still unconvinced of cops status as bastards.
It’s getting more and more frustrating listening to her justify why other cops don’t do anything about these kinds of cops. Still can’t accept the ones that do nothing are just as culpable. Accessories, in many cases.
If I stand next to my buddy as he kicks a guy to death, I will be getting jail time too. Why not cops?
This piece of shit deserved prison when he killed someone. His actions after the fact show he has no regard for human life and as such is a danger to others by simply being alive.
saying what they deserve
Mob justice? I don’t condone violence. It would be better for the system to actually uphold the law. It won’t.
Do those socialist policies not rely on defensive violence as well?
I misinterpreted your intent because when someone says they “don’t condone violence” in the context of police brutality, it’s typically because they either
don’t consider the police to be violence, or
are literally pacifists.
Do those socialist policies not rely on defensive violence as well?
Well, the idea to provide free housing rather than policing the unhoused certainly didn’t.
The book stipulates that providing free housing would reduce crime committed by people who are unhoused. It also advocates for free health care for people and social workers for people who suffer from mental illness. Some will refuse treatment, as we already know. But not all. The book does not say that crime will end. It does make ten (I think) excellent points as a chapter each about failures of policing to address social problems. And it has damning statistics to back up the claims.
It’s ridiculous that the richest nation in human history refuses to spend money on people in need other than for the purposes of enforcement. Doing so is counterproductive and wastes more money than just helping people. That’s my take.
Because your analogy is terrible.
It’s more like saying that one dude in your friend group from when you were in your twenties always tried to get in fights whenever you went out went on to murder someone one day without you being there or around. You’re now also blamed for the murder because you ran with him.
Or even better, your older scumbag sibling murdered someone, or parent.
The vast majority of these people aren’t even working together. They barely know who each other are in large departments.
They also have one of the strongest unions in the USA coupled with institutional laws that protect them by default with little statistical tracking.
Those aren’t issues where you blame people through proxy lol.
I think that analogy is worse. If my scumbag sibling killed someone and I didn’t say they were a scumbag and distance myself from them and instead defended them and enabled them to continue being a scumbag I damn well deserve others’ ire.
This isn’t the one bad cop in America, this is just one of many whose colleagues enable and approve of their actions. Often defenders of these shitbags say, “it’s just one bad apple” but they forget the rest of the saying that one bad apple spoils the bunch. In this case, too, the people that should hold themselves to a higher standard as a group are the ones making themselves look shitty by not doing so.
Not sure how people with family and friends of “decent cops” can defend them as a whole, particularly when most of them call on their cop friend or family member to help get them out of tickets. They’re just as bad (lol).
You immediately got it wrong.
Your sibling was completely normal. Maybe hot headed. It came out they killed someone. That’s it.
You are officially defending them at that point according to you. No matter if he legally or morally got off or was culpable.
It’s dumb. The entire ACAB stance is dumb just on its premise. Y’all too fucking gullible to Russian and Chinese propaganda lol.
People like this deserve one thing only, but saying what they deserve will get you banned from some instances.
As it should be. The strongest penalty for anyone should be life imprisonment. I don’t care if you’re literally a terrorist who has killed thousands of people, if you can be arrested without risking the lives of officers, you should face a maximum sentence of time in prison.
That said, I agree with the rest of what you said. This cop should be in prison for a long time.
Generalist bullshit. Well overplayed, always has been.
This idiot is more than a bastard. And other cops aren’t.
I’m looking for the cop unicorns though. Raised, indoctrinated, excels, realizes how fucked we all are, tries to do the most good possible within their power. Probably gets assassinated. Idk.
And no, I don’t think Kamala is this lol
And other cops aren’t.
We have here, from this case alone:
We have more of such cases than Police Unions.
Whomever gave any of these 3 their positions
This one is unfair because it’s not necessarily evident at the time of hiring that an employee will act like th is.
The cops willingly giving money to that Union
Also unfair because you can’t just assume that a donor/member of an org agrees with every action of the group they donate/belong to.
I agree with the rest. Most of those involved should be spending time in jail, qualified immunity should not apply here, nor should it honestly ever apply. Cops should be treated like regular citizens, which means giving citizens more protection as well as cops less protection from the law.
I know several cops and they are all great people.
No, they aren’t. Even if they are kind and friendly to you, they are still cops. They are still the state sanctioned users of violence whose primary job is to keep the status quo in which the rich own everything, and the workers don’t. Where people live on the streets and children go hungry.
Just a few days ago in my country cops arrested several rich bastards for corruption.
But every single rich bastard is corrupt and commits crimes against the people daily. The fact that very occasionally cops arrest a couple of them and then once in a blue moon maybe one of them sees an actual punishment doesn’t change the fact that the status quo is for those rich bastards and all their rich bastard buddies to live in luxury on the backs of the unfairly compensated workers and that the job of the cops is to enforce that status quo through violence.
And they are not “state sanctioned user of violence”
If I tackled you to the ground, bound hand and foot, shoved you into my car, drive you to my headquarters and locked you in a cage, you wouldn’t consider that violence? What exactly would it be then?
I get a different vibe from cops in Europe, and I wonder if it has to do with countries where they have mandatory military conscription / civil service.
I sometimes wonder if in the US, we had some kind of system where everyone was forced to serve as a police officer, say between the ages of 18 and 21, we would have an entirely different system. Instead of attracting power hungry psycho killers, you would have normal people who understood they were performing a required service for their community and society in general. You might then get more mutual respect between cops and civilians since everybody will have been on both sides.
Also, it’s almost as if anyone who wants to be a cop should be immediately disqualified. Same with politicians.
You wouldn’t arm them necessarily.
They might serve unarmed to enforce traffic laws, write tickets, deal with non violent offenders, operate 911 call centers, etc.
We already “arm and load power” onto 18-21 year old kids by signing them up for the military and sending them overseas.
Do you not trust those same kids in your own neighborhood?
Here in Vic Australia too. They’re mostly legends
The only people I know who hate cops here hate them because they either didn’t solve their issue, or they are generally known to act like asses.
It probably also helps that nobody carries guns here so they can operate on a shoot last, ask questions first policy
Well. You could become a cop and change the culture
There are shootings constantly in the US though.
Here in Australia, I wanted to join the police but ultimately chose not to due to the bad working hours. In the US, I feel like I wouldn’t feel safe doing so though personally unless gun laws were refined with better gun control like in other countries
Well. You can start by becoming a cop.
That’s always the problem. There’s people with strong convictions about being a good cop which is great. But none of them want to actually do the job… So the jobs get taken by shitty people.
You need to start by getting good people to become cops for starters. But yes, better laws. You guys need to start with gun control
I was a data analyst for the corrections/justice industry. I have an intimate knowledge of how it works. I worked with, and trained, thousands of police, from a significant portion of the country. I have spent time corresponding with DAs, Judges, State officials, Local officials, police union reps, wardens, sheriffs, COs, etc. The whole deal. The entire system is designed to be what it is, and part of that design is to identify, and reject, anyone not in compliance. As soon as a cop begins discussing holding cops/officials accountable, or a chief begins instituting policies that reign in this behavior, they get pushed out. If they fight getting pushed out, then end up in jail, or they end up dead.
You are ignorant of what is happening. I don’t blame you, most people don’t want to believe things are this way, and you aren’t even from here. However you truly misjudge just how, absolutely, fucked the current system is. In 1967 the USSC made a ruling that gave government officials immunity to actions in the line of duty. In 1982 they came up with a set of parameters that made this immunity so solid it is almost impossible to lose. This has been a shield for the vast majority of all rights abuse/deprivation in the US. It is why the USSC has recently been shown to be outright doing illegal things and there is, likely, nothing going to happen about it. I mean fuck, numerous police departments have been busted running, CIA-esque, black sites. You know what happened about it? The lowest man on the totem pole got a slap on the wrist, and the rest had to retire, or quit and get that job in another municipality. In the Baton Rouge case, it’s starting look like it might end up being deemed a “civil” infraction, rather than a criminal one…
On top of this, there are many, many, profit motives to arrest, fine, jail, and prosecute, as many people as possible. The immunity allows them to do it in direct violation of the law, and in the case that you have the resources to sue the government, no one will suffer personal consequences, so they do not care. Most people do not have these resources, so that is already a great filter for them. I could go on about the problems with the US legal industry, because it is a profit driven industry, not a justice system, for hours, if not days.
That’s exactly the problem we have over here. You can’t become a cop and change the culture. The culture is mandatory. They seek it out and train it it, and the ones who won’t at least turn a blind eye to it aren’t allowed to stay.
It’s important to also point out that a huge portion of the population carries guns. There’s no reason to assume that someone armed is a threat at all, and statistics bear that out. In the south of the US even most liberals don’t think twice about the number of guns they encounter every day. The reason why police are a unique situation is , obviously, partially because they deal with criminals, and partially because of their confrontational and aggressive approach to most situations. It’s not so much that you got to deal with a good or bad cop. It’s more that you got to deal with a cop in a good or bad mood. They way they choose to interact with you has very little to do with things you can control.
We’re hardly immune to bad policing
Victorian police beat climate protestors at mining conference
Victorian police kettle and pepper spray BLM protestors in Melbourne train station - I haven’t been able to find this one again but lots of references to Vic Pol using kettling as standard operating procedure.
I live in Canada and also know several cops who are great people;however, even they would not raise a finger to expose fellow cops who are indeed bastards
That’s the problem, it’s not a few bad apples, it’s a shit ton of them and the few remaining good apples are too afraid or just not care to do anything about the rest
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