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Michael Wehle@jeffowski I'm guessing that your partner does not have a human fetus nearing viability within his ductus deferens.
DMTea@mwehle @jeffowski keyword “nearing.” If it’s near viability, it’s not yet viable. And there should be no difference in how choice of care is handled.
FoolishOwl@jeffowski When I got a vasectomy, I was astonished at how little push-back I got, and that my crappy medical insurance fully covered it.
I was single and 35 -- I'd heard that age was a threshold for doctors dropping any objections.
It's unfair, and obviously patriarchal, that women get so much more push-back.
The flipside of it is that since men can get vasectomies easily, they really should think about doing it.
Karl Heinz Häsliprinz@foolishowl @jeffowski and given that it can be done reversibly, men should get one at 14 by default.
@KarlHeinzHasliP @jeffowski That's not a given. I gather that reversals are more often successful than I was led to believe when I got one, but it's still a much more difficult procedure than a vasectomy, and from what I'm reading, the chance of recovering fertility drops over time, especially after ten years.
So no, I don't think vasectomies at fourteen are a good idea.
Michael Terry@foolishowl @KarlHeinzHasliP @jeffowski another reason vasectomies aren’t quite so reversible as you might think is that insurance doesn’t usually cover the reversal, which can be very expensive, like $5–15k
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Chris 📎@foolishowl
Everything you said matches my experience too. I was around the same age as well. Came with a list of reasons in case I got pushback but never needed it.
Best decision ever. Would highly recommend to anyone considering it.
Adam Williams@foolishowl @jeffowski I had a vasectomy before I turned 25. I was asked a few questions, and that was all.,
Paul Chernoff@jeffowski The complaints are valid but many urologists do not do vasectomies on demand. I was asked many intrusive questions, told to come back in a month, and only then had the operation scheduled.
But no protests, no politicians telling what to do.
I wonder if the GOP will make vasectomies illegal since they want to outlaw sex for fun.
Unprecedented 2023@jeffowski Exactly!! Are they going to stop the sale of the condoms??
draeath@Mallulady @jeffowski I haven't verified this personally (so take it with a grain of salt large enough to choke on), but I have heard that something to that effect is buried in Project 2025.
Thomas Depierre@jeffowski All I will say is that it has not been that easy here in France. Finding a surgeon that will accept the legal liability is not easy, and most think that you are not able to make a decision about that. That you "obviously" cannot understand the consequences. It is so bad that it has put my off from even trying.
Reinout van Schouwen@Di4na
Really? In The Netherlands you make an appointment, get a few questions (are you really sure, perhaps you'll have another partner in a few years) but other than that it''s an everyday procedure. Performed by female surgeons, too, of course, and covered by insurance.
I doubt anyone else would be liable for anything but yorself? Except if they would make a gross mistake.
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Really? In The Netherlands you make an appointment, get a few questions (are you really sure, perhaps you'll have another partner in a few years) but other than that it''s an everyday procedure. Performed by female surgeons, too, of course, and covered by insurance.
I doubt anyone else would be liable for anything but yorself? Except if they would make a gross mistake.
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@reinouts @jeffowski See, if 10 years in you discover you do want kids, they are all (and their professional insurance) that you would sue them for not informing you well enough about the consequences. I am not saying that it is rational or based in facts. But I have had to deal with it and have enough of my family that are in the medical profession. It is really like that.
Kees AntiFA van Malssen@reinouts @Di4na @jeffowski Same in the UK (where I lived at that time). Make an appointment, wait until it is your turn, show up, have it done and carefully walk away. Paid by the NHS. Be careful for a couple of weeks, have some checks whether it was effective and that's it.
In other countries: get two stones and ask a friend to smash them together while.....
Niels Nielsen, geographer@jeffowski Even if he' carrying billions of potential children in his purse, more than ready to swim towards an egg!
mcc@jeffowski It's not that your post is wrong but also IME some American states are pretty restrictive on who can get a vasectomy and how hard it's gonna be :(
it's just they're WAY WAY WORSE to people who want abortions or tubals
BassRck50@jeffowski
Yet MEN kill billions of little ones, down the sink, daily!
Yet MEN kill billions of little ones, down the sink, daily!
MacCruiskeen@jeffowski given that the right wants to go after Griswold and access to contraceptives (they’ve said this out loud) I won’t be entirely surprised when such medical procedures are threatened.
Horror Author Reed Alexander@jeffowski
My wife was denied ablation for extremely painful periods after geting prior auth because the doctor "dIdNt WaNt To RuIn HeRe ChAnCe Of HaViNg ChIlDrEn." My wife was 40 at the time.
My wife was denied ablation for extremely painful periods after geting prior auth because the doctor "dIdNt WaNt To RuIn HeRe ChAnCe Of HaViNg ChIlDrEn." My wife was 40 at the time.
Carol Hughes@jeffowski my god! That is so true.
Pete Prodoehl 🍕@jeffowski I've mentioned this before but when I needed a hernia operation I met with the doctor (who happened to be a woman) and said "Hey Doc, while you're in there can I also get a vasectomy"? And she said "Sure!" and that's how easy it was.
Σειληνός (Seilēnós)@jeffowski Christofascists will end up making that illegal, too. Sex is for breeding, just like with farm animals. 😐
feld@jeffowski tons of people get their vasectomies denied because they don't have kids or their wife isn't there give permission. Doctors are pricks. I had to deal with being grilled over it too
Joe ❌👑@jeffowski When I got my vasectomy my urologist wanted a note signed by my wife saying she knew and didn't object. I thought it was kind of odd, but we did it. There was no law requiring this, but he asked for it. This was about 20 years ago. We had one child, decided we were done and we didn't want to deal with birth control any more.
Kris@jeffowski Think the word HIM needs the CAPS here...
4bz@jeffowski I had a two week waiting period for mine. But the overall point here for sure still stands
Kevin Bowersox (Author)@jeffowski To be fair, they also do not protest or complain when a woman has her tubes tied, or is fit for a diaphragm. At least not yet.
Sterilization is not the same thing as abortion. Not without special pleading and supernatural nonsense, anyway.
For me the key issue is bodily autonomy. I can't see any more fundamental freedom. Even though a pregnant woman has another human inside of her body, it is HER body it is inside. It is her decision. We need to reduce the number of abortions by reducing the need for them.
Dr. Mikaila@kbowersox @jeffowski the point is that women often *cannot* get their tubes tied unless they already have several children--and if they are young even having kids isn't enough. Drs will tell women things like "you need to wait until you find a husband and then see what he thinks."
nikolqy@jeffowski That's a mischaracterization.