In the wake of a recent birthday, I started doing some napkin maths today.

I've never been in a financial position to feasibly consider #HomeOwnership, and it's been becoming less so over time as the years go on and the #Economy gets worse and worse for those not already millionaires. I admit I got a late start feeding a portion of my wages into 401(k)s, but it's still looking like the closest I will ever come to being able to #Retire is getting new ones for my car.

Accumulating enough savings for a 20% #DownPayment on a house when a burnt-out shack in an empty field lists for $300,000? It is to laugh.

And let's say I do manage to secure property and a mortgage for it? Most times I hear about this being a 30-year debt commitment. I'd be in my seventies before it being due to be paid off.

I'm a lot better off financially than I was 20 years go -- no debt, car paid off, I do have some savings and I'm no longer living paycheque-to-paycheque. When when I look at it macroscopically, it's hard not to #Despair.

@DopeGhoti Yeah ... i've recently done the same and also come to the same conclusion. Realistically, it is not possible unless you do it with a group these days. Always nice to hear the voice of your relatives in your head, too.

"Why haven't you bought a house yet?! When i was your age ..."

Yes, yes. When YOU were my age you had three cars, two houses, and you were working part-time as a janitor. I know, buying houses is easy, right?

@catraxx
While it’s possibly true that a 30 year note won’t be paid off until you are in your 70’s, that is still a goal worth achieving. I suggest a 15 year note if you can swing it, by buying a cheaper house. I paid my mortgage off at 72. My folks paid under $18K for their house in 1961, I see it on Zillow at over $1mil now. Property you can live in has intangible values besides fixing your monthly cost, even though it isn’t easy, especially now.
@DopeGhoti

@CivilityFan @DopeGhoti That's great when you have kids, but the future value of my property means very little to me ...

And i know what you are saying, it's still worth it especially because it seems none of us will be exactly well off once we are old ...

@CivilityFan @catraxx
Your folks may have paid $18,000 for a house in 1961. That house in today's dollars should be about $189,000. That would be conceivably attainable for me.

That's the problem.

The price of that house hasn't dectupled since 1961 like the value of a dollar has. It's went up by a factor of fifty.

But wages have not.

@DopeGhoti @CivilityFan Yep. For a decent place, i'd have to pay half a million at least.
@catraxx
Hard to find anything under that, but it’s better now than when I moved here 2 years ago. I sold a condo in Reno which had increased a lot in the dozen years since I bought it, probably b/c wfh made Reno accessible to more SFBA folks & turned my 1800 sq ft into 1/2 that space. Before interest rates rose, I was outbid on four places but settled in Vallejo. There are now several units near me for 25% less now. Btw, my first place was in a run down part of Richmond, but still got me started owning instead of renting.
@DopeGhoti
@DopeGhoti @CivilityFan Also yeah like 200k i could do ... but for that price i could maybe get one that has half burned down. Even the property is like 100-150k these days.

@DopeGhoti Property taxes fuel local governments and the inflated housing market has been driving up rent.

What I don't hear about is how this is a global problem. People from NZ are moving to Aus because they're getting priced out. Hearing the same lament across the US as well as Canada.

@Zamnight
It’s corporate money moving into property ownership, supply and demand. I’m in a condo, the HOA fees are higher than the mortgage payment I had when I got my first home. Bubbles happen, I lost all my equity when one burst in 2008, but I still had shelter and costs stay fixed. The ROI might not always turn out but having your own place has advantages with which no other investment can compete
@DopeGhoti
@DopeGhoti 30 years ago, I was in your position. I socked money away and waited. When the market dipped, I jumped in.