Why are people downvoting the MediaBiasFactChecker not?

https://sh.itjust.works/post/23372622

Why are people downvoting the MediaBiasFactChecker bot? - sh.itjust.works

I know MediaBiasFactCheck is not a be-all-end-all to truth/bias in media, but I find it to be a useful resource. It makes sense to downvote it in posts that have great discussion – let the content rise up so people can have discussions with humans, sure. But sometimes I see it getting downvoted when it’s the only comment there. Which does nothing, unless a reader has rules that automatically hide downvoted comments (but a reader would be able to expand the comment anyways…so really no difference). What’s the point of downvoting? My only guess is that there’s people who are salty about something it said about some source they like. Yet I don’t see anyone providing an alternative to MediaBiasFactCheck…

The alternative is to use your own brain.

The fact that people are so often so ignorant and/or ideologically blinkered that they can’t see plain bias when it’s staring them in the face is the problem, and relying on a bot to tell you what to believe does not in any way, shape or form help to solve that problem. If anything, it makes it even worse.

Bias can be subtle and take work to suss out, especially if you’re not familiar with the source.

After getting a credibility read of mediabiasfactcheck itself (which I’ve done only superficially for myself), it seems to be a potentially useful shortcut. And easy to block if it gets annoying.

The main problem that I see with MBFC, aside from the simple fact that it’s a third party rather than ones own judgment (which is not infallible, but should still certainly be exercised, in both senses of the term) is that it appears to only measure factuality, which is just a tiny part of bias.

In spite of all of the noise about “fake news,” very little news is actually fake. The vast majority of bias resides not in the nominal facts of a story, but in which stories are run and how they’re reported - how those nominal facts are presented.

As an example, admittedly exaggerated for effect, compare:

Tom walked his dog Rex.

with

Rex the mangy cur was only barely restrained by Tom’s limp hold on his thin leash.

Both relay the same basic facts, and it’s likely that by MBFC’s standards, both would be rated the same for that reason alone. But it’s plain to see that the two are not even vaguely similar.

Again, exaggerated for effect.

Both relay the same basic facts

NO, THEY DO NOT.

rex has a mange is factual statement, that can be investigated and either confirmed or rejected.

same goes for rex’s leash was inadequate and tom’s hold of the dog was weak.

there is a lot more facts in the second example, compared to first one.

it’s likely that by MBFC’s standards, both would be rated the same for that reason alone

no, they would not and it is pretty easy to find out - mediabiasfactcheck.com/methodology/

your powers of “paying attention, weighing, analyzing, reviewing and questioning” are not as strong as you think.

be careful not to hurt yourself when you are falling down from this mountain.

Methodology

Objective Starting in 2025, we have a new methodology that aims to assess media outlets’ ideological bias and factual reliability systematically. It uses a comprehensive, weighted scoring system to evaluate political, social, and journalistic dimensions. This approach ensures an accurate and transparent assessment of a source’s political alignment and commitment to factual reporting, providing readers with a better understanding of

Media Bias/Fact Check

So are you saying that you wouldn’t be able to recognize my second example as a biased statement without the MBFC bot’s guidance?

Or did you just entirely miss the point?

i am saying you are lying about the same facts in your two examples and i am saying you are lying about how these two statements would be rated by mbfc, because you either didn’t exercise your imaginary analytical skills, or you are intentionally obfuscating.

you can read that. it is just above your last comment.

All I see here is someone whose ego relies on a steady diet of derision hurled in the general direction of strangers on the internet.
sure. go back to your brilliant analysis that doesn’t rely on facts. bye.