Last time I called Rittenhouse a murderer here, one of his inbred cult wanted to argue. Let’s see if that happens again:

Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer.

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If we can’t have a fact based conversation about anything then I don’t know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.

Does every act of self defense automatically classify someone as a murderer?

BTW, for the record I’m a leftie progressive. I’m not a conservative and I hate the Maga crowd. But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.

This has been established through clear video footage and a lengthy trial with a jury of his peers.

Anyone who disagrees needs to establish they know the facts of the matter beyond news headlines or Twitter opinions.

The problem with this country today is rampant misinformation.

Can you demonstrate why it wasn’t self defense?

I’m a leftie progressive (…) But the events that led to the death of those people that day was due to self defense.

So you’re not a willfully blind idiot for party political reasons. I wonder what convinced you then…

This has been established through clear video footage and a lengthy trial with a jury of his peers

Ah, an ignorant faith in the veracity of doctored or otherwise misleading out of context footage and the integrity of the US legal system 🤦

Can you demonstrate why it wasn’t self defense?

Dude brought an AR-15 to a word fight. In another state. After telling friends that he wanted to shoot BLM protesters. He then harassed peaceful protesters until some of them tried to stop him. He then murdered the people trying to stop him.

As someone who followed the trial closely, the evidence couldn’t be more clear.

But if all you’re going to do is handwave it away because of conspiracies that

• The trial was rigged
• The video was doctored

Then I don’t know what to discuss. This rhetoric identical with Maga republicans that claim the election was stolen and Hillary Clinton is harvesting the endocrine glands of children.

If we can’t have a fact based conversation about anything then I don’t know what the point is. As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd.

But if all you’re going to do is handwave it away because of conspiracies

That’s categorically not what I’m doing.

This rhetoric identical with Maga republicans that claim the election was stolen and Hillary Clinton is harvesting the endocrine glands of children.

Fuck off with that horseshoe theory bullshit. You’re clearly lying about being a leftist progressive in order to lend your credulity a false veneer of impartiality.

If we can’t have a fact based conversation about anything

Clearly we can’t, but I’m not the one responsible for that.

As a leftie this type of rhetoric really saddens me. I thought we were better than the Maga crowd

Big Dean Browning vibes.

So let me get this right: we can’t criticize any position that our side takes because that automatically brands us as posers, right? Who else plays this game? Do you see how close to the MAGA crowd we’ve circled back to? They do the exact same game to anyone that disagrees with their narrative (See RINO).

• YOU said the video was doctored or taken out of context. But then you never backed that up.

• YOU said the integrity of the judicial system can’t be trusted (even though I followed the trial very closely). There is no evidence this case was rigged

It’s this odd knee-jerk reaction I see here on Lemmy anyone that disagrees with established narratives is automatically branded:

• Outsider / other
• Facts become irrelevant

I MUST brand you as something. I can’t engage with someone unless I put a label on them.

Your goal is not to disprove my points or engage with what I’ve said. It’s to silence me by putting a label.

Notice how I never ascribed a label to you. I don’t know if you’re conservative, tankie, republican, or independent. I didn’t call you names. I didn’t accuse you of bad faith.

ALL I DID: I brought the facts of the matter and I described how similar your rhetoric is to the way elements of the far right manifest themselves. As a leftie all I want to do is combat misinformation. But just that was enough to get me all the downvotes and labels needed to put me in a box so we don’t have to hear about it.

So let me get this right: we can’t criticize any position that our side takes because that automatically brands us as posers, right

Nope, that’s a ridiculous strawman. You’re allowed to take any position you want. Just as I’m allowed to have my suspicions when you take positions that make no sense outside of credulity caused by far right gaslighting.

Who else plays this game? Do you see how close to the MAGA crowd we’ve circled back to? They do the exact same game to anyone that disagrees with their narrative (See RINO).

More horseshoe theory bullshit. Even if you WERE right about me (you’re not), equating anything I’ve said with the utterly insane drivel of a literal fascist movement is the kind of thing disingenuous “moderates” and cosplaying Republicans do.

YOU said the video was doctored or taken out of context. But then you never backed that up.

I backed it up by providing the context that the video omits: that he traveled heavily armed across state lines to a peaceful protest in order to shoot protesters, deliberately provoked protesters until some of them tried to stop him and then murdered those protesters.

Those are actual facts that the biased judge ordered stricken from the record because they made it clear that it was all premeditated rather than spur of the moment self defense.

There is no evidence this case was rigged

Yeah there is, see above.

YOU said the integrity of the judicial system can’t be trusted

Yeah, I tend not to trust a system where a biased judge who has no business presiding over a case can just arbitrarily throw out crucial evidence because it doesn’t match his predetermined conclusion and nobody can do anything about it.

I’m kooky like that.

It’s this odd knee-jerk reaction I see here on Lemmy anyone that disagrees with established narratives is automatically branded:

• Outsider / other
• Facts become irrelevant

This you?

I MUST brand you as something. I can’t engage with someone unless I put a label on them

I didn’t accuse you of bad faith

Not explicitly, no, but your opening comment accused EVERYONE not convinced about his innocence of bad faith, so excuse me if I don’t celebrate your magnificently magnanimous restraint 🙄

I brought the facts of the matter

Nope. You brought your conclusion based on omitting key evidence.

described how similar your rhetoric is to the way elements of the far right manifest themselves

Which, again, is horseshoe theory bullshit. Especially when it’s not even CLOSE to true like in this case.

As a leftie

Give it a rest, Dean. Nobody’s buying it.

all I want to do is combat misinformation

Spreading it is an awfully peculiar way of going about that task…

But just that was enough to get me all the downvotes and labels needed to put me in a box so we don’t have to hear about it.

Nah, you got that for lying and trying to distort reality in order to defend a murderer and then doubling down when corrected.

I never ad hommed. I never labeled you. I never accused you of bad faith.

Yet you felt the need to introduce Dean Browning. Because what? I introduced myself as a leftie? Did you ever stop stop and wonder why I have to put that disclaimer in the first place on this platform? It’s because every discussion seems to devolve into name calling rather then engaging with the matter.

You felt the need the need to accuse me of lying, yet you never provided evidence the judge was biased, the trial was rigged or the video was doctored - all your claims. You provided some context. Neat.

I never ad hommed (…) I never accused you of bad faith

Categorically false.

Yet you felt the need to introduce Dean Browning. Because what? I introduced myself as a leftie?

Because you introduced yourself as a leftie and proceeded to spew a bunch of horseshoe theory bullshit often deployed in an effort to dismiss the left as just another color of fascism.

Just like Dean Browning introduced himself as a gay black guy in order to attack a black guy and praise a homophobic party.

It’s not exactly rocket science, dude…

Did you ever stop stop and wonder why I have to put that disclaimer in the first place on this platform?

Yes, and I specifically addressed it: in order to coat your defense of Rittenhouse in a false veneer of impartiality.

It’s because every discussion seems to devolve into name calling rather then engaging with the matter.

Once again exactly what Republicans on Lemmy (and all other platforms that aren’t explicitly fascist, for that matter) always say when their erroneous and transparently bad faith arguments are engaged with.

You felt the need the need to accuse me of lying

Because you were. And because of your absolutist claims based on said lies.

yet you never provided evidence the judge was biased

His actions did that for me. Want me to present evidence that Eileen Cannon isn’t a Democrat too?

You provided some context. Neat.

Congratulations on sneaking in one true detail at the end of your rant of false accusations and bad faith whining. I promise not to tell your handler.

I vote left, and support a bunch of socialist policies… I also am a die hard pro2a supporter…you on the other hand are willfully ignorant because you didn’t like the outcome of a case that had firearms involved, so you went full maga…never go full maga.

Deal with the fact that a large and growing portion of the left in this country is armed and continues to purchase arms.

An armed minority is harder to suppress.

you on the other hand are willfully ignorant because you didn’t like the outcome of a case that had firearms involved, so you went full maga

Congratulations on combining three logical fallacies (strawman, third-cause fallacy, and ad hominem) in one sentence. You must be so proud of your excellence in illogic.

He planned to murder people. Then he murdered people. Then the judge overruled evidence proving that it was premeditated and thus disproving his self defense defense.

I don’t disapprove because he used a gun to carry out his murders. I disapprove of murder and helping murderers be unjustly acquitted.

Though Republicans would have celebrated him less for it, I would disapprove just as much if he had used a knife like that other famously acquitted murderer. The one from the first Naked Gun movie.

An armed minority is harder to suppress

And an armed minority is also much more likely to use the gun on itself or have the gun used on itself by someone else than to successfully use it in self defense.

It’s like one of my favorite dark jokes:

“My dad had a gun. He said he had to have a gun to protect his 5 kids. Of course, he later had to get rid of the gun to protect his 4 kids.”

Congratulations on combining three logical fallacies (strawman, third-cause fallacy, and ad hominem) in one sentence. You must be so proud of your excellence in illogic.

Lol sure… you’re about to do exactly what I said right below in the next quotes lol

He planned to murder people. Then he murdered people. Then the judge overruled evidence proving that it was premeditated and thus disproving his self defense defense.

Lol no he didn’t, or are you saying that the jury of his peers acquitted him because it was a conspiracy?

I don’t disapprove because he used a gun to carry out his murders. I disapprove of murder and helping murderers be unjustly acquitted.

Lol you don’t know what murder is apparently. You just made shit up because you’re mad that self defense of domestic abusers, child molesters and felons… attacking a single fleeing person didn’t go how you wanted it to… because you don’t like guns.

Though Republicans would have celebrated him less for it, I would disapprove just as much if he had used a knife like that other famously acquitted murderer. The one from the first Naked Gun movie.

Are…are you really trying to compare OJ’s trial to the hours and hours of footage from Rittenhouse case? Lol holy fuck you’re being ignorant.

And an armed minority is also much more likely to use the gun on itself or have the gun used on itself by someone else than to successfully use it in self defense.

Lol fuck off with that shit. That’s such an anti-2a talking point. It’s like saying people with pools drown more often than people without pools…yea no shit… correlation doesn’t equal causation. I thought you were smart enough to know this…guess not.

Also Malcolm X and the black Panthers would like a word.

It’s like one of my favorite dark jokes: “My dad had a gun. He said he had to have a gun to protect his 5 kids. Of course, he later had to get rid of the gun to protect his 4 kids.”

This is you:

All guns should be taken away from citizens, only the military and police should have them.

Trump is a fascist.

Why are the fascist now stuffing me into an oven…

I was about to go through your litany of lies, distortion and pure willful ignorance point by point, but ultimately you’re not worth it as there’s a 0% chance of you paying attention since you’ve already made up your mind.

In the end, you came up with the only appropriate answer I can give you to all of that without wasting even more time on you than I already have:

Lol fuck off with that shit