Matt Walsh (Real)it makes me irrationally mad
Okay, but only if these guys show up to arrest me.
San Francisco needs this so much.
perryKerala needs it too
Krafty KactusIf you like: The death penalty for littering
Then you should try: Saudi Arabia
I think they’re onto something
I really hope you’re joking
Nono, they are on top of something.
And that something is fucking massive oil reservoirs.
And that something is fucking massive oil reservoirs.
fishosOr Singapore and chewing gum.
UnderpantsWeevilA country famous for its pristine wilderness and eco-friendly economy.
queermunist she/herMake the recycling deposit a dollar, pin it to inflation, and put it on everything.
That would probably also solve overconsumption, since you could only buy so much of anything before literally running out of dollars to deposit.
That would make having a mountain of long lived useless trash a solid inflation safe investment plan.
As long as their useless trash is in their garage and not scattered on the highway I think that’s still an improvement.
Even if it was scattered everywhere you would definitely have people pick it back up for the deposit. That works with bottles in Germany and the deposit for them gets as low as 8ct.
Can’t wait to start counterfeiting milk jugs
ManucodeWhy would it be inflation safe?
Because the deposit is tied to inflation. Older products might end up with way outdated deposits if you print the sum on the packaging, so it would have to be token based. The token is then inflation safe.
It seems trivial to tie the token to a sale date. The future deposits on future purchases will keep pace with inflation because the deposits will increase, but you only get back the deposit you put in at time of purchase.
Even if the deposit on bottles is $2 in 2035, if you bought when they were $1 they won’t accrue value by sitting in your garage.
And how exactly would you do that? One giant database of sales that everyone just has access to? Print it on the thing at time of sale? I can’t see any trivial solution, I’d be interested in yours tho!
I don’t see why everyone needs access, it could just be kept with the Department of Energy (or whoever would be in charge of the proposed universal deposit program). Accessing it would require a court order, just like digging through someone’s trash.
Although that said, an open database of every single purchase would have all sorts of uses!
For instance, if someone litters, the authorities could track the unique code to the purchase and then… well. 🙂
If you want to sell a product you would have to register that deposit in the database, similarly if you get it back you have to access the database to know how much to pay out. If you don’t want to limit selling products to large businesses everyone needs access.
Sure, consequences for littering are fun and all, but the passive surveillance that allows is terrifying imho.
Do you think that kind of surveillance isn’t already happening with credit card companies, online shopping, and chain stores?
Oh, no. I’m quite aware. The companies that can do it have a large enough effect in my life as it is. I really do not wish for scammers, random trolls, foreign government or home invader (tracking where you are based on purchases) to join them.
Right now I can make it hard for the big players by using the right tools and services. This would make it completely impossible.
How the hell are scammers, random trolls, or foreign governments going to do that with a token that says the date when you bought something? Especially if the key to decrypt the token is held by the DoE!
If the key is only held by the doe then how are you ever going to get that deposit? Bring your trash to them? If not then everyone needs to have access, which means no encryption. One could of course feasibly leave out who bought the thing. To prevent fraud though you would probably have to save what the thing is (otherwise someone will just produce trash in China with valid token IDs from the database just to get the deposit) and having a database of that is in it self a very bad thing for businesses at least. You don’t want your competitors to know exactly how much you are selling, otherwise you will definitely get bought out at your lowest point.
Maintaining such a database would be a nightmare too, and all that just to make sure the tokens do fall in value with inflation? I don’t see the point really. Either fix the value for a couple of years, or let it rise through inflation that would incentivize the collection of old garbage at least.
Deposit machines, which are already in wide use, could automatically read the token.
I guess someone could hack the machine? Other than that, though, it seems secure.
And also I’m not sure how knowing the date I bought a Pepsi could be useful for scammers.
You are right, machines could work for smaller/standardized stuff 🤔
As for scammers, since kind of fake recall where you have to for some reason pay something in advance probably. But trust scammers and grifters to figure something out, they always do.
*were
*Subjunctive Mood
*This makes me irrationally angry
ulternoI didn’t learn “moods” in HS Grammar, but it still makes me feel weird.
I mean, watching a guy in a muscle car throw trash out his car at the intersection near my home, I’m for it. It ain’t so much the littering, it’s the type of people who litter. Lol
Also, you should know that complaining about Opportunity’s laws is considered verbal littering!
And by “littering” you also mean uncontrolled dumping of chemicals into our air and waterways too, right?
This. teaching kids to pick up their trash and dispose properly, raises kids that understand that the environment can be polluted and we need to be stewards
Why not just show a picture of UAE? Looks identical but with trucks filled with poop leaving the Burj Khalifa instead of flying cars.
And don’t forget the numerous and repeated human rights violations!
devrazaSuch as?
ColdWaterSlave, no free speech, jailed even kill anyone that express negatively against the GOV, treated workers that bulit their country like trash, torture…
For example interrogation, torture and execution of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who didn’t want to (metaphorically) suck the crown prince’s tiny pecker. Oh, and also the slavery and continuing to basically treat women as second class citizens…
Agree with your entire sentiment but wanted to note that Khashoggi was tortured and executed by Saudi Arabia, not the UAE. Same area geographically and relatively similar politics and human rights record, but UAE is not run by MBS.
Totally agree about the slavery and women’s rights etc tho.
Singapore is also beautiful, they slap you with a cane for littering.
threeduckPlease Litter Tsar, add tagging to your death penalty list.
I’m sure that weird little pod thing in the middle is actually next to the ring road in Manchester.
HanrahanThat doest look like Singapore at all?
Ahh yes, its the thrown sandwich wrapper thats the problem not the 2 tonnes of metal and plastics belching pollutants out that backwhike driving down a concrete and asphlat road.
I remember long ago reading something where an enviromentalist who was driving home with a friend along the highway and the friend opined how their enviromwntalist friend must be disappointed with humanity seeing all this litter along the road edge and the environmentalist replied that the litter wasn’t the problem, the road was.
Looks litter free /s
frankly cars also make me irrationally mad
besides tire spikes, we ought to consider the death penalty for driving a car too /hj
MewtwoLikesMemesEww, there’s like hardly any trees. 🤮
Make this the punishment for producing litter producs as well. Fuck Temu with a rusty pipe.
LegYes, but explicitly applied to corporate entities. If a corp can’t handle its waste, it’s a threat to mankind and should not operate. Solve the issue or kill the corp.
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The illustration neglects to show how the mass incarceration and death row system will be set up and function in order for death penalty to be inflicted on those littering. Of course it does, it would be as pretty if it wouldn’t.
Literally singapore