Don_DickleMy dad fought the Nazi's they lost. The world knows it. What is the deal with their recent resurgence?
LastEconomic despair, political instability, and rampant nationalism are key conditions that facilitated the rise of Nazis in post-World War I Germany and are similarly contributing to the resurgence of such ideologies today. Modern times have seen these conditions fostering the rise of leaders like Donald Trump, where both he and historical figures like Hitler capitalized on themes of national decline, utilized nationalist rhetoric, exploited fears about outsiders and minorities, and exhibited authoritarian tendencies. This recurrence of historical patterns underscores how past ideologies can be revived, shaping contemporary political climates and contributing to the emergence of movements that mirror the early 20th-century Nazi regime.
Is your dad still around? Maybe he was holding them at bay.
His dad sounds like a good man. I’d like to shake his hand. Or if thats not an option, salute his headstone.
remoteloveThey have kinda always been a thing. Nazi’s were just one flavor of nationalist, after all.
Charles de Gaulle defined nationalism best: “Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
For most people, it’s extremely easy to blame others for problems of their own creation. By the same token, people who can’t see their own shortcomings will also usually latch on to leaders who are able to amplify that bias. For the Nazis, it was mostly against the jews.
Also, what you are seeing in the news is partially amplified by the news itself but also, politicians are getting more brazen in mustering the support of those groups. This has lead to people being a little more open about something that needs to stay taboo, IMHO.
These leaders all make the same promise:
Whatever is wrong in your life is not your fault, nor is it even the fault of random chance/fate/god/what have you. There is a clear, definable enemy called X. X is the problem, and if we just deal with X, then you will have the life you dream of. I will make sure X never hurts you again.
BoozillaAnother interesting property of fascists is how their “enemy” is described in lurid but contradicting ways that don’t make any sense when you think about it for more than half a second.
One minute, the “enemy” is described as weak, pathetic, disgusting, sub-human, sickly, cowardly, stupid little losers who can’t punch out of a wet paper bag. The next minute, the “enemy” is described as threatening, all-seeing, clever, oppressive, bold and brazen, powerful, influential, dominating the government, ruining people’s lives, etc.
It’s maddening. And some people are absolute suckers for it.
Like Schroedinger’s Immigrant. At all times he is stealing your job and a lazy, jobless, criminal.
Well shit, that’s a much shorter and better way to put it.
We need to spend more research funds observing these immigrants to collapse them into a single state!
BeatTakeshiYou forgot cunning and plotting
Dude I live in Ohio and see the confederate flag on porches. OHIO!!! I’m so far north in Cleveland that only a lake seperates me from Canada!!!
We were NEVER part of the confederacy! And once you leave Cleveland area, into the rural farmlands, its all confederate flags and trump flags.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
See the same shit anytime I’m in PA and exit Philadelphia
CorkyskogAnyone now seeing how some people are slowly converting their house into like a campaign collage with these Trump banners printed on PVC vinyl?
Yes, and I live north of the Canadian border. They seem to think Trump is a viable alternative to Trudeau.
throbbing_banjoIowa here, same thing.
This state has a very progressive history, but that’s being erased at lightning speed
ulkeshThat should tell you everything you need to know.
That morons live everywhere.
Wet NoodleWas at the musuem in Gettysburg recently and the amount of Confederate flag hats/shirts I saw was wild. I’m sure the contents of the museum would’ve upset them if they could read
White supremacy and the nazi ideology are ass to ass. The only thing they didn’t share was their hatred for Jews but guess who domesticated that ideology? Neo-Nazis.
EldritchI though it was ass to mouth.
That’s a different movie entirely
watsonAss to mouth to ass to mouth to ass to mouth. Like a human centipede.
Its been a long slow boil. And Nazis were only part of the problem. In the early 1930s many businessmen and Republicans in the US plotted a Hitler style coup against FDR. They did worse than Hitler, but escaped most consequences. And over the last century quietly plotted and built. Here and abroad. Fostering the “right kind” of fascism. Theirs.
It probably would have gone on a little longer. Because I don’t think they were quite ready to actually try to coup again. But they’ve been socially engineering a new class of supremely manipulable Voters who lack any critical thinking skills. However a childish malignant narcissist managed to get the attention of that tool. And stole it from the Republican fascist. Basically largely spoiling the plot. And causing them to have to move before they were ready.
Also the ability for instance Global and often still largely Anonymous communication made propaganda easier and cheaper than ever before. The old style leaflet drops over territories were never very effective. And even radio broadcasts or easy to thwart. Now enemy Nations only need to pay a few people for online shitposting in hot beds lacking critical thinking. And they can turn their enemies people into their own tools.
Are you serious they pay people to troll? Kind of make me wonder how much and is it even worth it.
Definitely. In a lot of developing countries with basic internet access these people can actually make good livings doing that. As long as they’re skill in the foreign language is adequate enough. Though today a lot of that is being taken over by basic low-end generative machine learning models. Something else false information faster than it takes to debunk it.
So if I learn a couple languages and put a post on craiglist that I am a willing troll. I will get hired?
Not unless you live in a country with a low standard and cost of living. And not likely even then. Because even at a Payday they generally work ed for larger businesses and weren’t a freelance Craigslist sort of thing. That and here in the United States there’s too much free competition to really be effective for them to pay anyone over here as well.
Funny that you mention payday and am sitting here in the hospital eating one.
I hope you're having your head checked!
Short version: the Nazis lost but the fascists won.
WWII basically ended in fascists vs fascists - Nazi Germany pulled a lot of their ideas from the US and before Pearl Harbor the US stance was ambivalent. They thought Hitler had some good points, but it would be OK if he lost.
edgemaster72Millions of people died from COVID yet look how many denied its effects (and still do) and didn’t/don’t get vaccinated. Because it wasn’t happening to them right there in their faces (and in some cases it was and they still denied it on their death beds). If people can’t even learn from that as it happened in real time all around them, what hope do we have for people to care about and learn from things that happened 80-90 years ago?
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Rikudou_SageThey didn’t lose. You’re probably talking about Nazi Germany. Yes, that country lost. Doesn’t mean Nazis in Germany magically disappeared. Doesn’t mean Nazis anywhere else disappeared. Your dad never won over Nazis, just one particular Nazi country.
Even though he fought all across Europe?
That still doesn’t mean that all Nazis just magically stopped existing. Sure, a lot of them were killed in the war, but way more of them didn’t
the_weezThe Nazi party fled to many corners of the globe. Fascism exists outside of the Nazi party. Between those two things, fascism never really died. The Nazi party was shut down, made illegal in much of Europe. The other fascists welcomed those that made it out. Most modern day fascists that use Nazi imagery are called neo-nazis. Not the same group from WW2. Neo-nazis have been around for decades. Until recently they were not nearly as organized.
Not promoting violence but can we do something against them to make them feel marginalized?
Get a photo of his ugly mug. Get an old, cheap laser printer. I recommend a Kyocera fs-3900 or something similar because the toner can be found cheap. Print out rumors, gossip, lies. Post them all over the neighborhood. Let the community know he is a Nazi (if that will help)
I’m honestly not sure. You could try doxing the lower ranks, they need jobs and employers don’t usually love Nazis.
Just thought I would cash in on making fun of all the nazi bullshit if someone would sponsor me LOL.
Now that’s an idea. I’d join that patreon.
To give an intellectually honest guess, I’d say the honest among them think that form of socialism is the best way to handle resources and that violent revolution is the only way to get there effectively. The dishonest among them likely just wanna exploit the rest of them.
Yea but what happens if the succeed in a violent revolution. Then the other side comes along and overthrow them?
With another violent revolution? Iunno. Ask those guys.
Wouldn’t really be violent we just take back the government then put them on trial for the world to see.
But how?
With peaceful violence
The Nazis called themselves “national-socialists”, because socialism was popular at the time. Anyone who actually wanted socialism would have voted for the social-democratic party (SPD) or the communist party (KPD). The actual politics of the NSDAP were very much focused on the nationalist, xenophobic part. You just rarely have the baddies calling themselves “the baddies party”.
But what about the dudes doing it today?
The dudes doing socialism are socialists. The dudes doing racist and inhumane shit are nazis.
Do the Nazis even have a cover story at this point?
The US imported a LOOOT of Nazis to get access to research - Operation Paperclip. So Nazis in government jobs given immunity
It makes a lot of sense how that bled out
Paperclip is the hangout for Operation Bloodstone.
You can lie and say nazis like Werner Von Braun were actually apolitical smol beans who just wanted to do science, you can’t even pretend random commanders and officers were.
Woo, I learn more horrifying things every day!
Well, right now, it’s popular to be anti-zionist. And anti-zionists just aren’t gate keeping the way they need to.
As actual living memory fades away it almost seems like a natural inevitability. It is already as mythologicial to many as World War 1 cavalry.
This.
Good people make soft people make bad people make good people.
There have always been susceptible idiots.
Nazi’s are just a byproduct of an eroding standard of living. When things are good and getting better, there just isn’t the fertile ground for that kind of ideology, even among the idiots.
When standard of living is on the decline? Anyone who gives a simple answer and a simple solution gets the attention of idiots.
It reminds me of and I don’t know where I read it at but there was this guy who was trying to sell his pet rock in Africa. And told the buyer it keeps lions away. The buyer asked how does it work. The seller simply told him you do not see any lions do you and the buyer bought it.