GrapheneOSJul 31, 2024

@Hyolobrika @kkarhan It's not what we're trying to do. A huge portion of what we work on depends on hardware-based features requiring those features in hardware and device-specific work.

We would also need to make a lot of device-specific code compatible with our hardening features, etc. by working around all the discovered memory corruption bugs, etc.

It would take away our resources from what we actually focus on, reducing the privacy, security, stability and compatibility for those users.

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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan It would also encourage people to buy those devices, only to end up disappointed when they gradually learn a bunch of security features are missing at a hardware level and that the device is going to be quickly end-of-life. We plan on completely phasing out our current temporary extended support because 7 years is more than adequate support time for devices and even the previous 5 years is fine. Extended support is a temporary workaround for devices with 3 year support time.
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@Hyolobrika @kkarhan We have seen that providing extended support encourages people to not just keep using insecure devices without firmware and most driver patches but also to buy them to start using GrapheneOS. We have not succeeded at convincing people to stop doing this, since they see it's supported and they're the cheapest devices they can get. They may only intend to use it temporarily to trial it but then keep using it. Lots of people still use them, and we see it as a big problem.
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Show threadKevin Karhan Jul 31, 2024

@GrapheneOS @Hyolobrika yes, but that's a general problem with #Android and even #iOS:

  • Most people can't afford to blow a ton of money on tech - especjally not when flagship devices and even midrange cost €500-€1.500+...

This is a systemic problem due to incentives and modalities, because there is neither incentive nor punishment to care beyond the absolute minimum to sell.

It pisses me off as well because that makes many of these things just envoirmental crimes...

So unless a manufacturer can make more money selling a better product they won't!

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