RevK Jul 31, 2024

That is genius!

Update:

LOL, someone reported me to, err, me... The first report I have ever had!

Seems I have to clarify.

All junk calls I get, are either not legal under PECR, or actually fraudulent. I am assuming this is the nature of this call. If not, then not so funny.

I have zero sympathy for someone that works for criminals. Arguing that the only job you can get is working for criminals does not justify it. Sorry. But that is my free speech opinion.

So I won't be suspending myself.

Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@revk I'm not sure you understand how much stress this person has put on a delocalized worker, who's already alienated in normal conditions, having to follow a route made by white collar workers. He may have a family to feed and he isn't the problem himself. He may have been fired, or at best he's lost an hour of paid labor while fearing losing his job, in great distress.

This is only funny for ignorant people, and there's arguably racism in that. Do better.
Show threadNangpa 🇳🇴Jul 31, 2024

@oceane @revk

Maybe I can't read, but the topic here is not skin colour, nationality or race - not even close...
So, I don't see the racism issue

Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@Nangpa @revk Because this kind of call center is often abroad, and because the call operators are often PoC.
Show threadNangpa 🇳🇴Jul 31, 2024

Sorry, @oceane

Fediverse is worlwide with people/users from around the globe and we can't be too "woke" all the time.

I don't mind "woke" people but this got nothing to do with this post by @revk

Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@Nangpa @revk Indeed but speaking as a white person I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that when white people think about call center scams they think about brown people. If harming a call center scammer is harming a brown person, then this post is embedded in a racist culture and in racist practices. I didn't say that revk was racist, and I have the luxury not to have to jump to conclusions. I'm just saying, I will repeat, that "there's arguably racism in that".
Show thread24😷-185Jul 31, 2024

@oceane @revk @Nangpa There are call centres in India who make fradulent calls to English-speaking elderly people about their computer.

They are brought down by hackers because Indian authorities won't do anything and are often bribed by local politicians.

The bosses make hundreds of money by selling inefficient computer protections. The cold-callers barely hide their joy when they see a well-fed bank account and when they are caught about lying about their identity, they resort to insults.

Are you seriously suggesting that nothing should be done against that because that would be considered as racism!?

Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@240185 @revk @Nangpa Absolutely not! But are you sending this message in the context of national Indian calls, with (1) based on what you say, lacking legal resources due to political corruption, and (2) from my point a view, a negligible number of elderly white people?

I'm saying here that sharing this kind of messages on social media is embedded in racism, and that racism isn't a solution, it's part of everyone's problems with crime, scamming, and so on, because it reinforces a social system based on forcing people to contribute to it to meet their own needs (Adam Smith), and that's been coopted by a class of oppressors, that defend a system waging wars for their own benefits (e.g. natural resources appropriation, such as oil, or even as weapons manufacturers). If this is in the context of national Indian calls, then racism from white people feels irrelevant, isn't it?

I won't improvise myself an Indian activist, but I'm sure that you can find a trust-based network of local orgs in about 15 minutes by querying about any reputable search engine. Racism isn't part of the solution, but lending these orgs a hand on your spare time, sharing their press releases on your account, blogging about them would be. From the top of my head, these would be the solutions I would suggest in this context.
Show thread24😷-185Jul 31, 2024
@oceane @revk @Nangpa I was writing the message thinking about international calls, targetting people in UK or United States from India. But the points you raised are valid, although I wouldn't consider the ratio between the amount of money fraudulently obtained and the number of victims as "negligible".
Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@240185 @revk @Nangpa Sure, but then I would encourage you to join local data protection activists. It's all fun and games until you ask which data broker has sold them your contact info.

No need to hurt anyone.
Show threadRevK Jul 31, 2024
@oceane @240185 @Nangpa That gets you nowhere - they just hang up!
Show threadOcéaneJul 31, 2024
@revk @240185 @Nangpa Threatening them to sue them if they did has worked in the single case I did this. They've indeed hanged up twice, then I've threatened them, then they got concerned.
Show threadOcéane
@revk @240185 @Nangpa Again, abusing people doesn't disrupt the workplace because it's already a sweatshop built around disciplinary measures.
Jul 31, 2024 at 3:17pmWeb
Show threadRevK Jul 31, 2024

@oceane @240185 @Nangpa OK but *any* measure that works, and gets the place shut down causes those workers to all be out of a job, probably without being paid.

Doing the right thing and getting the bad guys sorted out causes people to lose their jobs.

The trick is not to work for criminals and scammers in the first place.