“Defacing public property, desecrating the American flag, threatening Jews with violence and promoting terrorist groups like Hamas is not acceptable under any circumstance,” says Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries in a statement about the unrest yesterday at DC’s Union Station. “There is a difference between lawful expression and disorderly conduct. Anyone who violates the law must be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.”

@w7voa
While I wouldn't do it, someone should remind Leader Jeffries that desecration of the flag is lawful expression.

If it were illegal, half of MAGAland would be in prison based on their clothing choices.

@TCatInReality @w7voa
Any American that burns our flag should be loudly called out for the horrible people that they are the same way we do to the people waving Nazi and confederate flags. Both of those types of people are despicable!

@GreenFire @w7voa
Of course, you can express your distaste towards anyone with any flag you disagree with.

My point is that Leader Jefferies specifically said there was a difference "between lawful expression and disorderly conduct". Flag burning has specifically been litigated and found to be lawful expression. The Leader should know that.

@TCatInReality @w7voa
The Democratic House Minority Leader obviously knows that. You are just putting words into his mouth.

He said that "defacing public property, desecrating the American flag, threatening Jews with violence and promoting terrorist groups like Hamas is not acceptable".

Then he added, “There is a difference between lawful expression and disorderly conduct. Anyone who violates the law must be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.”

@GreenFire @w7voa

I literally quoted him ...and you provided an even expanded quote of the same. Everything else he listed is a crime.

But sure, let's say he knows. I would prefer he not call lawful (if unpleasant) expression "unacceptable" and lump it into a list of other crimes.

But that's me. You are welcome to disagree.

@TCatInReality @w7voa
I find burning the flag despicable and consider it unacceptable the same as Hakeem Jeffries and Kamala Harris along with pretty much all Americans, but you certainly have the freedom to disagree with us of course.
@GreenFire @TCatInReality @w7voa the military regularly disposes of old and decommissioned flags by incineration. I can’t find any recent reliable polls suggesting more than 2/3 of Americans believe burning the flag should be illegal, the threshold congress would need for a constitutional amendment. In 1990 the SCOTUS declared flag burning protected speech.
@GreenFire @TCatInReality @w7voa on a personal opinion level, I feel that uncritical allegiance to a nation-state and the cosmetic symbols thereof is a cheap and lazy form of patriotism, and it requires much more courage and love of the ideals of democracy to stand in opposition to your own society when that society is in the wrong. But that’s me.

@neandertall @GreenFire @w7voa
To be perfectly clear, this is NOT my viewpoint.

But for those who think the US is deliberately complicit in genocidal acts, then burning a flag is far more peaceful than other actions they may feel driven to take.

I can see why it has been judged to be peaceful, legal protest speech.

@TCatInReality @neandertall @w7voa
What I don't understand is why so many people on the "left" don't acknowledge that burning the U.S. flag is disrespectful and disgusting to so many other Americans from whom we need their votes in order to keep the far-right from taking power completely.
@GreenFire @TCatInReality @w7voa radical acts of protest like flag burning can drive some people further into conservative extremism, but they can also act as a catalyst for debate and discussion, like we’re doing right now, and those conversations can be very productive in helping people see things from each other’s perspectives, which is very healthy for a pluralistic democratic society.
@GreenFire @TCatInReality @w7voa in the way that *limited* wildfires are actually very good for the environment in the long term, while excessive uncontrollable wildfires are a bigger concern, what seems divisive or antithetical to coalition-building at first blush can actually be a very healthy way for people with differing viewpoints to understand what is important

@neandertall @GreenFire @w7voa
If a flag being burned is the focus of our discussions about the protest of a war that has caused tens of thousands of deaths (and homelessness and famine), then the propagandists and warmongers have won.

I'm done talking about this. Have a good day everyone.
#CeasefireNow. #BringTheHostagesHome