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Death Valley heat melts skin off a man's feet after he lost his flip-flops in the dunes

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Death Valley heat melts skin off a man's feet after he lost his flip-flops in the dunes - Lemmy.World

According to a National Park Service news release, the 42-year-old Belgian tourist was taking a short walk Saturday in the Mesquite Flat Sand Dunes in 123-degree heat when he either broke or lost his flip-flops, putting his feet into direct contact with the desert ground. The result: third-degree burns. “The skin was melted off his foot,” said Death Valley National Park Service Ranger Gia Ponce. “The ground can be much hotter — 170, 180 [degrees]. Sometimes up into the 200 range.” Unable to get out on his own and in extreme pain, the man and his family recruited other park visitors to help; together, the group carried him to the sand dunes parking lot, where park rangers assessed his injuries. Though they wanted a helicopter to fly him out, helicopters can’t generate enough lift to fly in the heat-thinned air over the hottest parts of Death Valley, officials said. So park rangers summoned an ambulance that took him to higher ground, where it was a cooler 109 degrees and he could then be flown out.

Jul 25, 2024 at 1:40amWeb
Show threadStopthatgirl7Jul 25, 2024

For those of you who don’t know Fahrenheit:

123F->50.5C

170F-180F-> 77-82C

200F->93C

109F -> 43C

Show threadapfelwoiSchoppenJul 25, 2024
Also -40F = -40C
Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

I know what -40 feels like.

I’d still take that over the other end of the spectrum.

Show threadcatloafJul 25, 2024
You can always put warmer clothes on. You can’t keep taking them off.
Show threadmargaritoxJul 25, 2024
Yea, people look at me like a deer in headlights when I tell them that.
Show threadKalkaline Jul 25, 2024

For those of you who only know temperatures based on internal temperature of cooked meats:

123F-danger zone of most meats, some bacteria will continue to grow at these temperatures

170F- all meats including ground poultry are safe to eat at this temperature, but most people would call steak way overdone at this temperature

200F- start of 6 pack number 2 for cooking brisket, depending on what texture you’re going for you might be able to pull it or drink another beer

109F- you trying to kill someone with that burger?

Show threadhalfstepJul 25, 2024
Thank you, it all makes sense now.
Show threadFuckfuckmyfuckingassJul 25, 2024
Thanks for translating. It is so frustrating when people only use their weird localized temperature scale.
Show threadbrbpostingJul 25, 2024
Hmm ‘tis an American news source
Show threadHugh_JeggsJul 25, 2024
The Belgian burnt his feet in °c tho
Show threadgrowsomethinggood ()Jul 25, 2024

And for those of you who only know temperatures based on brewing tea or coffee:

123F: Probably insufficient for even fairly delicate teas. You could probably make “sun tea” at this temperature by leaving tea in room temperature water to be heated by the sun, but this is not recommended as anything below ~130F is considered the danger zone for bacterial growth.

170F: This is the appropriate temperature for delicate or green teas to preserve flavor, antioxidants, and prevent bitterness.

200F: An acceptable temperature below boiling (212F) for black teas and coffee where overextraction is minimal.

109F: Unacceptable for tea brewing, barely above body temperature.

Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

We make sun tea by leaving it outside (90’s, 35c). In the sun. It’s a bit like cold brew, it takes longer to extract the flavors.

It’s also bitter so generally sweetened with lemon juice. And some form of sugar. (Honey preferred.)

Show threadgrowsomethinggood ()Jul 25, 2024
Correct, I should clarify, you are likely safe brewing sun tea at those ambient temperatures because the glass of the brewing vessel will trap the sun and heat the tea higher than that, like a car traps heat on a hot day. You’ll likely hit 130F+ easily and be out of the danger zone!
Show threadsuperminerJGJul 25, 2024
This makes me want to see someone cook steak in Death Valley by merely using the heat of the ground.
Show threadlemonmelonJul 25, 2024
Maybe someone who used to be a huge asshole? Out there making sloppy steaks in Death Valley with the Dangerous Nights crew.
Show threadTarquinn2049Jul 25, 2024

So, basically it’s like checking how close the water in a pot on the stove is to boiling by putting your hand in it, then falling and putting all your weight on that hand as it sits on the bottom of the pot, and being unable to lift it again for a few minutes.

Something like that.

Show threadcybervseasJul 25, 2024
So do we just need to close death valley or require permits in the summer or something? The safety issues seem to be compounding with the extreme heat.
Show threadprotistJul 25, 2024
I assume you have to pay a fee to enter Death Valley National Park, and like every National Park I assume the rangers at the entrance and signage all throughout warm you of potential dangers. You can easily get yourself in trouble at Yellowstone, Rocky Mountain, or Big Bend National Parks, for example, if you don’t take the risks seriously and make poor decisions.
Show threadTropicalDingdongJul 25, 2024

Sure but those other parks… they aren’t called “Deathstone” or “Death Mountain” or “Big Death”…

I feel like Death Valley is being very frank with you on the matter.

Show threadprotistJul 25, 2024

A group of European-American pioneers got lost here in the winter of 1849-1850, while looking for a shortcut to the gold fields of California, giving Death Valley its grim name. Although only one of the group members died here, they all assumed that the valley would be their grave.

I bet more people have died at each of the other 3 parks than at Death Valley NP. Maybe there’s data out there on that somewhere

Show threadTropicalDingdongJul 25, 2024

Interestingly, the park service have a very nice dashboard to look at this:

www.nps.gov/aboutus/mortality-data.htm

However, it doesn’t give you the deaths per count of visitors.

This article claims Denali, and the environment to be the top park in deaths per capita.

backpacker.com/…/the-10-most-dangerous-national-p…

Deaths in National Parks (U.S. National Park Service)

Show threadmargaritoxJul 25, 2024
There are no entrance stations in Death Valley. There’s a fee, but they sorta “trust you” to have paid in advance.
Show threadtreadfulJul 25, 2024
Rangers can do their best to inform visitors and provide necessary services for survival, but at the end of the day, safety is one’s own responsibility.
Show threadThrowawayOnLemmyJul 25, 2024

Though they wanted a helicopter to fly him out, helicopters can’t generate enough lift to fly in the heat-thinned air over the hottest parts of Death Valley, officials said. So park rangers summoned an ambulance that took him to higher ground, where it was a cooler 109 degrees and he could then be flown out.

TIL.

Show threadTropicalDingdongJul 25, 2024
Death Valley: We mean it.
Show threadStopthatgirl7Jul 25, 2024
Legit, I did not know this until I read this article, either.
Show threadTropicalDingdongJul 25, 2024

Death Valley

To be fair, it is right there in the name.

Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024
“I thought that was like, ironic, bruh.”
Show threadEtterraJul 25, 2024
“Irony didn’t get you into this mess, son.”
Show threadGrassJul 25, 2024
why do people keep going here. does nobody watch the local news there or is it all biden gone here’s herris, trunp maga pooble dooble and nothing actually local?
Show threadcatloafJul 25, 2024
The average person has become accustomed to no threats to their life. You know how they tell you not to feed wild animals, because they become accustomed to it and can’t fend for themselves? It’s like that.
Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024
Technically, the reason they tell you not to feed wild animals is because they’re likely to maul you when you run out of food.
Show threadfrickinehJul 25, 2024
I feel like if you go to Death Valley, in July, when we’re having record-breaking temps all over the world, and you wear flip flops…look, I’m not saying anyone deserves to lose a foot just because they’re making stupid choices, but maybe like, a toe. Because man, that is wildly stupid.
Show threadConstipatedWatsonJul 25, 2024

While I fully agree with you, for a second there I wondered what could have been proper clothing and footwear for this type of trip. I normally wear Chaco sandals in the Summer and they seem to be sturdier and more appropriate footwear for this walk and then I thought they could melt too, so… Hiking boots? Those would possibly not melt, so maybe they would have been appropriate, but I’m not sure…

A strange game, the only winning move is not to play… You don’t go to Death Valley in the boiling hot summer (I myself have been in June of many years ago and it was a chillier day)

Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

It’s Death Valley.

You want at least mid-rise hiking boots. Trail hiking shoes might be okay, except in the case you step on a rattler.

The boots aren’t full proof protection but they’re much better than a sock.

The biggest reason to go down to shoes is if you plan to be moving over boulders- it’s pretty hard to edge.

Biggest things are that they’re comfortable, sized right and sturdy enough to not fall apart. (Also? Bring lots of socks. Swapping socks frequently will help with the perspiration)

(ETA) For general clothing avoid dark or bright colors- light tan is best, wear light breathable pants and similar shirt. Id recommend avoiding cotton (it sucks for wicking,) and go with linen. I recommend long sleeves but a lot of that has to do with me having 3 shades- white, pink and burnt.

Hat and sunglasses that are comfortable.

Also? The biggest rule? Tell someone where you are going, what your route is, and when you expect to get out. I recommend checking in and out with the parks service cuz they’re gonna be the ones looking for you.

Show threadEtterraJul 25, 2024
Do rattlers even live in death valley? I’m not sure that they do.
Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

the Mojave Rattler, Mojave Sidwinder Rattler, and Panamint Rattler all can be found there.

There’s other venomous snakes, too, on that list. It’s not a place you want to go about in sandals. not. at. all. There’s also plenty of nasty spiders and scorpions, too. (to be fair, there’s basically scorpions everywhere. except like. the artic)

Reptiles - Death Valley National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

Show threadSuruJul 25, 2024

Huh. There being scorpions everywhere except the Arctic is such a wild statement to your average European. Never have I ever seen a scorpion outside a terrarium despite having traveled and hiked extensively in various countries around the continent.

Are they truly that common in the Americas, even in more temperate climates?

Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

They’re that common basically everywhere, actually.

The UK has yellow tailed scorpions from southern Europe; and with climate change spreading a lot. Northern Europe is still close enough to the artic to give them difficulties; but there’s other species that are smaller that are just hard to find.

There’s also tons of pseudoscorpids that lack the tail (and are tiny,)

Show threadSuruJul 25, 2024
Ah. Well, perhaps I ought to amend it to an average Northern European, then. There are definitely no tru scorpions in the Nordics, although we probably have some tiny pseudoscorpids around somewhere. Although I’ve hiked all over Southern Spain and never spotted a scorpion there either.
…which probably says more about my perceptiveness or lack-there-of than anything else.
Show threadFuglyDuckJul 25, 2024

They’re pretty hard to see. Researchers go out at night with UV lights to make them glow in the dark. Otherwise they’re very sneaky.

They’re pretty much restricted to temperate though so nordics are definitely too cold.

But they’ll be coming for you soon, /sadlol

Show threadbeansbeansbeansJul 25, 2024
Interesting anecdote. I’m a European-American; members of my family and I have all seen scorpions in Spain, Italy, and especially Greece - all you need to do is stroll through a village at night. As for the US, I’ve never seen one outside a terrarium.
Show threadVirtualOdourJul 25, 2024

You’ve gone straight to hiking though and are talking about crossing boulders, thats a world away from what happened here. It says he took a short walk from the carpark, likely a footpath to a scenic view, the path is probably suitable for kids and old people. It did say he was with family and other tourists carried him to the carpark so this was not a trek or hike, it was a brief walk

I think the story here isn’t ‘idiot fails to prepare for hike’ it’s more like ‘hot sand can be more dangerous than you think’ which is important because I would never go hiking unprepared but I would take a short walk to look at the view without really considering the possibility that the sand will melt my feet off.

Show threadraefJul 25, 2024
"some folks will never lose a toe; then again some folks’ll. Like Cletus the slackjawed yokel. "
Show threadJayb151Jul 25, 2024
Aye! What’s goin’ on on this side!?
Show threadEtterraJul 25, 2024
I’ll say it. This dumbass deserves to lose his feet. Hell, he earned it.
Show threadEarthShipTechInternJul 25, 2024
Literally burned it
Show threadweeeeumJul 25, 2024
Yeah, this is akin to wearing a bikini to Antarctica.
Show threadAlexWIWAJul 25, 2024
Yeah even if he had the flip flop he’d still be leaving with burns when the flip flop flips and flops some sand between the shoe and his foot.
Show threadHellnikkoJul 25, 2024
The best part is no matter what health insurance he has (or doesn’t have), that’s gonna be expensive as fuck by the end of the year.
Show threadskuzzJul 25, 2024
Belgian. So probably no freedumb buck based medical system.
Show threadPixTupyJul 25, 2024
They don’t, you’re advised to buy the most expensive travel insurance you can find when going to USA or Canada.
Show threadHalcyonJul 25, 2024
International travel health insurance is not that expensive in Europe. In Germany you can get it for the equivalent of around $15-20 a year. Then you are fully insured for a travel period of 8 weeks per year. Insurances like that also exist in Belgium.
Show threadPixTupyJul 25, 2024
True, I worked with travel insurance for a while in Euorpe. It’s still advised to get better coverage ones when going to North America, even several travel insurances, as the top amount in the cheapest ones will not be enough to even open an American hospital door.
Show threadsome_guyJul 25, 2024
Terrible fates that I’d never considered for $100.
Show threadNatakuNoxJul 25, 2024
Who wears flip flops to the desert?!
Show threadpyreJul 25, 2024
“sand? so it’s just like the beach!”
Show threadHugh_JeggsJul 25, 2024

Have you ever even met a Belgian?!?

There’s a good reason their car numberplates are red, it’s so you can avoid the daft cunts 😂

Show threadTheoriginalthonJul 25, 2024
Red number plates? Didn’t notice that, however they seem incapable of navigating roundabouts
Show threadHugh_JeggsJul 25, 2024
Level of observation achieved - BELGIAN